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I'm a Jew currently residing in Niagara Falls, Ontario. Between Septmeber 20th, 2005 and July 18, 2006 I was employed at the Hilton Hotel as a houseman, under Italian ownership. Although I didn't hear any direct anti-Semitic slants I was shunned by most of my co-workers, and my once even 3 co-workers hid my work cart and were only told by my employer, Julie Antonio, not to do it again. Not even written up. (Melanie Vujcic, Sarah Ecker and Vicki Gardner).
My supervisors didn't like me, and most of the times would talk down to me and when I approached my boss to rectify the situation, I was dismissed, that "I was paranoid", and that pattern of behavior repeated itself again afterwards. This made me upset and I swore in frustration, which prompted me to be written up by my boss, Julie.
I used to do my job better than anybody else, but when I was rewarded the "Employee of the Month" award for January 2006 month, many people got extremely jealous at me for that, and my co-worker at the time, Lisa Wilson, told the other housepeople that "Why him, he's nothing but a bum" and other slurs.
I did the garbage run 10 times a day at times, but when I was too busy because I was with a guest, the supervisors would go on the walkie-talkie "John, you should have done your garbage run 20 minutes ago", but other people got the slack for that.
I am pretty sure that I was targetted primarily because I was a Jew: Several times the night shift guy, Wayne Robbins, would brag to me that he didn't do anything at night after 2 am, but drink and sleep, and when me and other people went to Julie Antonio about it, we were dismissed. Same thing applies to another employee, Asdrubal Quesada, who being Hispanic (Cuban) and homosexual got special privileges - 3 times the inspection caught him not changing the soiled linen, but he was never written up by Julie Antonio.
When I was at the North Tower, Marco, who was the houseman in charge of that tower, and other people would not change the newspapers' recycle bins for a month. I brought it down, full of newspapers dating a month back, and showed it to Julie. She yelled at me "don't bother me", and went home at 11:00 because it was a Sunday. Then I proceeded to show it to her assistant Shelly Culp, who dismissed me kindly about it. The problem wasn't solved, and I had to do something that other people didn't do. - pretty much doing their job.
I have never recieved a bravo-gram when I overdid myself, but other people received it for minor things. Julie was attempting to prove that I wasn't doing my job, but I did stuff that other people would slack on - such as dusting the high legers.
Nobody ever called me anything relating to my Jewish heritage, but one day at the smoke pit, I overheard one room attendant, Danny Parisi, talking about the religious Orthodox Jews in an unfavorable light.(I'm a cultural Jew, a non-praciticing one). He said "I will never understand this religion, the can't turn on the light on Saturday, but they can ride the elevator". When the Israeli-Lebanese conflict was going on in July I was teased by some co-workers like "have you already caught Bin Laden?", or some jests like "you come from a country that has some problems - we need to be careful with you". I don't think it was meant more than a joke, but one day, during the peak of the Israeli-Lebanese war I explained my friend Steve the Bellman why Israel was right to defend itself, when one cook, Larry McKinnon butted in saying "The whole Middle East should go down in flame " - including Israel - "All they do over there is fight". I didn't say the same thing about Northern Ireland!
On July 15th, 2006, I was sitting at the table and a Native Indian guy, Wayne Burnham was giving me the attitude after joining my table. All I did was ask him how he was. I then called him a "&&&thead" , and he threw something at me. Not wanting to be violent, I came after him and we started arguing. He came out, in front of the cameras and pushed me. I was hauled by Andrea, one of the supervisors into the office, and she talked down to me, while Wayne continued to work there. I was later informed that he was waiting for me outside the building but nobody ever did anything regarding it. On July 18th, 2006, I was dismissed while Wayne was merely written up.
I then received a very harsh dismissal letter from Julie Antonio, stating that should I ever again set food at the Hilton, I am comitting a trespassing and should be prosecuted and put in jail.
I would like you to advise me what I can do and what am the resources/opportunities open to me to fight this discriminiatory and inhuman treatment.
On 2006-09-06 12:11:52 -0400, ironsjac...@hotmail.com said:
> I would like you to advise me what I can do and what am the > resources/opportunities open to me to fight this discriminiatory and > inhuman treatment.
And just what quality of advice do you expect from travelers in the US and Canada, with nothing more to bind them together? Seems to me you need to consult an attorney.
>> I would like you to advise me what I can do and what am the >> resources/opportunities open to me to fight this discriminiatory and >> inhuman treatment.
>And just what quality of advice do you expect from travelers in the US >and Canada, with nothing more to bind them together? Seems to me you >need to consult an attorney.
Indeed. I have no idea of the laws in Canada around discrimination issues, and even if I did how could I possibly interpret the information provided to give an informed opinion?
I wonder why the OP chose this group in which to ask his question? The group is about travel, not "rights" in such disputes.
> >> I would like you to advise me what I can do and what am the > >> resources/opportunities open to me to fight this discriminiatory and > >> inhuman treatment.
> >And just what quality of advice do you expect from travelers in the US > >and Canada, with nothing more to bind them together? Seems to me you > >need to consult an attorney.
> Indeed. I have no idea of the laws in Canada around discrimination > issues, and even if I did how could I possibly interpret the > information provided to give an informed opinion?
> I wonder why the OP chose this group in which to ask his question? > The group is about travel, not "rights" in such disputes.
If he has a case he would've gotten an attorney already. He has no case and wants to cause problems for the hotel becasue of some personal beef.
> I am pretty sure that I was targetted primarily because I was a Jew: > Several times the night shift guy, Wayne Robbins, would brag to me that > he didn't do anything at night after 2 am, but drink and sleep, and > when me and other people went to Julie Antonio about it, we were > dismissed. Same thing applies to another employee, Asdrubal Quesada, > who being Hispanic (Cuban) and homosexual got special privileges - 3 > times the inspection caught him not changing the soiled linen, but he > was never written up by Julie Antonio.
> When I was at the North Tower, Marco, who was the houseman in charge of > that tower, and other people would not change the newspapers' recycle > bins for a month. I brought it down, full of newspapers dating a month > back, and showed it to Julie. She yelled at me "don't bother me", and > went home at 11:00 because it was a Sunday. Then I proceeded to show it > to her assistant Shelly Culp, who dismissed me kindly about it. The > problem wasn't solved, and I had to do something that other people > didn't do. - pretty much doing their job.
> I have never recieved a bravo-gram when I overdid myself, but other > people received it for minor things. Julie was attempting to prove that > I wasn't doing my job, but I did stuff that other people would slack on > - such as dusting the high legers.
> Nobody ever called me anything relating to my Jewish heritage, but one > day at the smoke pit, I overheard one room attendant, Danny Parisi, > talking about the religious Orthodox Jews in an unfavorable light.(I'm > a cultural Jew, a non-praciticing one). He said "I will never > understand this religion, the can't turn on the light on Saturday, but > they can ride the elevator". When the Israeli-Lebanese conflict was > going on in July I was teased by some co-workers like "have you already > caught Bin Laden?", or some jests like "you come from a country that > has some problems - we need to be careful with you". I don't think it > was meant more than a joke, but one day, during the peak of the > Israeli-Lebanese war I explained my friend Steve the Bellman why Israel > was right to defend itself, when one cook, Larry McKinnon butted in > saying "The whole Middle East should go down in flame " - including > Israel - "All they do over there is fight". I didn't say the same thing > about Northern Ireland!
> On July 15th, 2006, I was sitting at the table and a Native Indian guy, > Wayne Burnham was giving me the attitude after joining my table. All I > did was ask him how he was. I then called him a "&&&thead" , and he > threw something at me. Not wanting to be violent, I came after him and > we started arguing. He came out, in front of the cameras and pushed me. > I was hauled by Andrea, one of the supervisors into the office, and she > talked down to me, while Wayne continued to work there. I was later > informed that he was waiting for me outside the building but nobody > ever did anything regarding it. On July 18th, 2006, I was dismissed > while Wayne was merely written up.
> I then received a very harsh dismissal letter from Julie Antonio, > stating that should I ever again set food at the Hilton, I am comitting > a trespassing and should be prosecuted and put in jail.
> I would like you to advise me what I can do and what am the > resources/opportunities open to me to fight this discriminiatory and > inhuman treatment.
For someone who is whining and alleging racism, you certainly seem to think of everyone else in terms of their race or background. I have lived in the Niagara area for more than 40 years and anti Semitism has never been an issue, though I have heard negative comments about Orthodox Jews, all of which came from other Jews.
Dave Smith wrote: > ironsjac...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that I was targetted primarily because I was a Jew: > > Several times the night shift guy, Wayne Robbins, would brag to me that > > he didn't do anything at night after 2 am, but drink and sleep, and > > when me and other people went to Julie Antonio about it, we were > > dismissed. Same thing applies to another employee, Asdrubal Quesada, > > who being Hispanic (Cuban) and homosexual got special privileges - 3 > > times the inspection caught him not changing the soiled linen, but he > > was never written up by Julie Antonio.
> > When I was at the North Tower, Marco, who was the houseman in charge of > > that tower, and other people would not change the newspapers' recycle > > bins for a month. I brought it down, full of newspapers dating a month > > back, and showed it to Julie. She yelled at me "don't bother me", and > > went home at 11:00 because it was a Sunday. Then I proceeded to show it > > to her assistant Shelly Culp, who dismissed me kindly about it. The > > problem wasn't solved, and I had to do something that other people > > didn't do. - pretty much doing their job.
> > I have never recieved a bravo-gram when I overdid myself, but other > > people received it for minor things. Julie was attempting to prove that > > I wasn't doing my job, but I did stuff that other people would slack on > > - such as dusting the high legers.
> > Nobody ever called me anything relating to my Jewish heritage, but one > > day at the smoke pit, I overheard one room attendant, Danny Parisi, > > talking about the religious Orthodox Jews in an unfavorable light.(I'm > > a cultural Jew, a non-praciticing one). He said "I will never > > understand this religion, the can't turn on the light on Saturday, but > > they can ride the elevator". When the Israeli-Lebanese conflict was > > going on in July I was teased by some co-workers like "have you already > > caught Bin Laden?", or some jests like "you come from a country that > > has some problems - we need to be careful with you". I don't think it > > was meant more than a joke, but one day, during the peak of the > > Israeli-Lebanese war I explained my friend Steve the Bellman why Israel > > was right to defend itself, when one cook, Larry McKinnon butted in > > saying "The whole Middle East should go down in flame " - including > > Israel - "All they do over there is fight". I didn't say the same thing > > about Northern Ireland!
> > On July 15th, 2006, I was sitting at the table and a Native Indian guy, > > Wayne Burnham was giving me the attitude after joining my table. All I > > did was ask him how he was. I then called him a "&&&thead" , and he > > threw something at me. Not wanting to be violent, I came after him and > > we started arguing. He came out, in front of the cameras and pushed me. > > I was hauled by Andrea, one of the supervisors into the office, and she > > talked down to me, while Wayne continued to work there. I was later > > informed that he was waiting for me outside the building but nobody > > ever did anything regarding it. On July 18th, 2006, I was dismissed > > while Wayne was merely written up.
> > I then received a very harsh dismissal letter from Julie Antonio, > > stating that should I ever again set food at the Hilton, I am comitting > > a trespassing and should be prosecuted and put in jail.
> > I would like you to advise me what I can do and what am the > > resources/opportunities open to me to fight this discriminiatory and > > inhuman treatment.
> For someone who is whining and alleging racism, you certainly seem to think > of everyone else in terms of their race or background. I have lived in the > Niagara area for more than 40 years and anti Semitism has never been an > issue, though I have heard negative comments about Orthodox Jews, all of > which came from other Jews.
> > >> I would like you to advise me what I can do and what am the > > >> resources/opportunities open to me to fight this discriminiatory and > > >> inhuman treatment.
> > >And just what quality of advice do you expect from travelers in the US > > >and Canada, with nothing more to bind them together? Seems to me you > > >need to consult an attorney.
> > Indeed. I have no idea of the laws in Canada around discrimination > > issues, and even if I did how could I possibly interpret the > > information provided to give an informed opinion?
> > I wonder why the OP chose this group in which to ask his question? > > The group is about travel, not "rights" in such disputes.
> If he has a case he would've gotten an attorney already. He has no > case and wants to cause problems for the hotel becasue of some personal > beef.
ironsjack9...@hotmail.com wrote: > Let's see how YOU react facing discrimination in Canada
I didn't see anything in you post that suggested discrimination. You apparently whined a lot about not being recognized for your superior work. It seems that some of your co-workers didn't like you. You can dislike someone because of their personality and whiny behaviour and it has nothing to do with discrimination. You proved yourself to be thoroughly despicable by ranting to numerous newsgroups.
>>> I would like you to advise me what I can do and what am the >>> resources/opportunities open to me to fight this discriminiatory and >>> inhuman treatment.
>>And just what quality of advice do you expect from travelers in the US >>and Canada, with nothing more to bind them together? Seems to me you >>need to consult an attorney.
>Indeed. I have no idea of the laws in Canada around discrimination >issues, and even if I did how could I possibly interpret the >information provided to give an informed opinion?
>I wonder why the OP chose this group in which to ask his question? >The group is about travel, not "rights" in such disputes.
Rita,
Just a guess, but I'd say he equated Hilton with travel and USA-Canada with Niagara [SIC] Falls. How appropriate a post this is, remains to be seen, but I can find some thread of logic in posting here. I did not bother looking at the header info, to see where else he might have posted, and thus, have not tried to find any logic there.
It is sad, if it happened per the description, and sadder still if it didn't. I have never observed any anti-Semitism in Canada, but then might well have missed it.
On 2006-09-06 19:46:45 -0400, no...@hunt.com (Hunt) said:
> It is sad, if it happened per the description, and sadder still if it > didn't. I have never observed any anti-Semitism in Canada, but then > might well have missed it.
Anti-Semitism exists everywhere. Probably even in Israel, with the Sephardics vs. the Ashkenazics and the ultra-orthodox against everyone else.
But in every country outside of Israel, there is (and always will be) significant anti-Jewish sentiment among lots of people.
Several people have already responded, but so will I. For one, your post is pissing me off. Your co-workers treated you that way probably because they didn't like you. In fact, most of them probably don't even know you're Jewish until you opened your mouth and talked to them about it when you butt in on a conversation others were having. Yes, people don't understand the religion.
My boss doesn't understand the religion, and she doesn't understand why I won't eat the non-Kosher food we serve, however I will work on the Sabbath. I do this simply because I desperately need the job, and few people would hire me when I tell them I can't work Friday after 3 or on Saturdays. The only job I'm experienced enough to do has it's busiest days of business on Friday and Saturday, and I can't afford to pick and choose. I kindly informed her that if I choose to observe Sabbath, she would not be able to discriminate against me for it. She answered, "we would let you have it off, but we only need you when we are busy, that would cut down on your hours." That's not discrimination, it's a conflict of interest.
You say you're a cultural Jew, not a practicing one. So you're not doing anything that would catch people's attention, so how do you figure they've singled you out for discrimination? You ask someone how they are, they don't want to talk to you, and then you call them a name. The way I see it, you're instigating problems and then trying to use "I'm Jewish" as an excuse.
Well, FYI, I'm not only Jewish, but I'm disabled. And as I put it bluntly, "I can't walk through life treating people poorly and then saying, 'don't be mean, I'm disabled, you can't pick on me.'" While being a butthead and having some kind of carte blanche to treat everyone else any way I want. The world doesn't work that way. You have probably been told to stay away from your former place of employment because several people have complained that you make them uncomfortable, and they don't want you showing up there causing a scene. It's easier for them to tell you up front not to come back and cause trouble.
And before you pick on me and tell me that I'm belittling you because you're Jewish, I'M JEWISH TOO!! I work at a place where no one understands my culture, no one knows about Yom Kippur or what we do on the Sabbath, however I don't seem to have this kind of problem from anyone, anywhere. I wear a Star of David around my neck and I have not gotten ONE single derogatory remark from a co-worker or customer in the two years I've been working at that store. We serve over 100 people a day, and there are not many Jews in this town.
So quit making excuses and whining, find a new job, and learn to get along better with people. Sheesh.
ironsjac...@hotmail.com wrote: > I'm a Jew currently residing in Niagara Falls, Ontario. Between > Septmeber 20th, 2005 and July 18, 2006 I was employed at the Hilton > Hotel as a houseman, under Italian ownership. Although I didn't hear > any direct anti-Semitic slants I was shunned by most of my co-workers, > and my once even 3 co-workers hid my work cart and were only told by my > employer, Julie Antonio, not to do it again. Not even written up. > (Melanie Vujcic, Sarah Ecker and Vicki Gardner).
> My supervisors didn't like me, and most of the times would talk down to > me and when I approached my boss to rectify the situation, I was > dismissed, that "I was paranoid", and that pattern of behavior repeated > itself again afterwards. This made me upset and I swore in frustration, > which prompted me to be written up by my boss, Julie.
> I used to do my job better than anybody else, but when I was rewarded > the "Employee of the Month" award for January 2006 month, many people > got extremely jealous at me for that, and my co-worker at the time, > Lisa Wilson, told the other housepeople that "Why him, he's nothing but > a bum" and other slurs.
> I did the garbage run 10 times a day at times, but when I was too busy > because I was with a guest, the supervisors would go on the > walkie-talkie "John, you should have done your garbage run 20 minutes > ago", but other people got the slack for that.
> I am pretty sure that I was targetted primarily because I was a Jew: > Several times the night shift guy, Wayne Robbins, would brag to me that > he didn't do anything at night after 2 am, but drink and sleep, and > when me and other people went to Julie Antonio about it, we were > dismissed. Same thing applies to another employee, Asdrubal Quesada, > who being Hispanic (Cuban) and homosexual got special privileges - 3 > times the inspection caught him not changing the soiled linen, but he > was never written up by Julie Antonio.
> When I was at the North Tower, Marco, who was the houseman in charge of > that tower, and other people would not change the newspapers' recycle > bins for a month. I brought it down, full of newspapers dating a month > back, and showed it to Julie. She yelled at me "don't bother me", and > went home at 11:00 because it was a Sunday. Then I proceeded to show it > to her assistant Shelly Culp, who dismissed me kindly about it. The > problem wasn't solved, and I had to do something that other people > didn't do. - pretty much doing their job.
> I have never recieved a bravo-gram when I overdid myself, but other > people received it for minor things. Julie was attempting to prove that > I wasn't doing my job, but I did stuff that other people would slack on > - such as dusting the high legers.
> Nobody ever called me anything relating to my Jewish heritage, but one > day at the smoke pit, I overheard one room attendant, Danny Parisi, > talking about the religious Orthodox Jews in an unfavorable light.(I'm > a cultural Jew, a non-praciticing one). He said "I will never > understand this religion, the can't turn on the light on Saturday, but > they can ride the elevator". When the Israeli-Lebanese conflict was > going on in July I was teased by some co-workers like "have you already > caught Bin Laden?", or some jests like "you come from a country that > has some problems - we need to be careful with you". I don't think it > was meant more than a joke, but one day, during the peak of the > Israeli-Lebanese war I explained my friend Steve the Bellman why Israel > was right to defend itself, when one cook, Larry McKinnon butted in > saying "The whole Middle East should go down in flame " - including > Israel - "All they do over there is fight". I didn't say the same thing > about Northern Ireland!
> On July 15th, 2006, I was sitting at the table and a Native Indian guy, > Wayne Burnham was giving me the attitude after joining my table. All I > did was ask him how he was. I then called him a "&&&thead" , and he > threw something at me. Not wanting to be violent, I came after him and > we started arguing. He came out, in front of the cameras and pushed me. > I was hauled by Andrea, one of the supervisors into the office, and she > talked down to me, while Wayne continued to work there. I was later > informed that he was waiting for me outside the building but nobody > ever did anything regarding it. On July 18th, 2006, I was dismissed > while Wayne was merely written up.
> I then received a very harsh dismissal letter from Julie Antonio, > stating that should I ever again set food at the Hilton, I am comitting > a trespassing and should be prosecuted and put in jail.
> I would like you to advise me what I can do and what am the > resources/opportunities open to me to fight this discriminiatory and > inhuman treatment.
Rita wrote: > I wonder why the OP chose this group in which to ask his question? > The group is about travel, not "rights" in such disputes.
To cause trouble for the hotel, and their employees... assuming he used real names. If he did, the hotel is more likely to cause problems for him. He's given enough information that everyone is going to be able to figure out which sorry butt got fired recently and wants to cause a stir.
His post just pissed me off, because he and I are of the same culture, and I get really tired of people using it as some kind of excuse for why "so and so doesn't like me". There's discrimination everywhere, but I'm just not buying this guy's story.
With all due repsect, thanks for the reply, but neither you, nor other people who responded knows anything about me or the place I worked at or the people I interacted with. So how come everybody thinks I'm at fault? Just curious...
Sapphyre wrote: > Several people have already responded, but so will I. For one, your > post is pissing me off. Your co-workers treated you that way probably > because they didn't like you. In fact, most of them probably don't even > know you're Jewish until you opened your mouth and talked to them about > it when you butt in on a conversation others were having. Yes, people > don't understand the religion.
> My boss doesn't understand the religion, and she doesn't understand why > I won't eat the non-Kosher food we serve, however I will work on the > Sabbath. I do this simply because I desperately need the job, and few > people would hire me when I tell them I can't work Friday after 3 or on > Saturdays. The only job I'm experienced enough to do has it's busiest > days of business on Friday and Saturday, and I can't afford to pick and > choose. I kindly informed her that if I choose to observe Sabbath, she > would not be able to discriminate against me for it. She answered, "we > would let you have it off, but we only need you when we are busy, that > would cut down on your hours." That's not discrimination, it's a > conflict of interest.
> You say you're a cultural Jew, not a practicing one. So you're not > doing anything that would catch people's attention, so how do you > figure they've singled you out for discrimination? You ask someone how > they are, they don't want to talk to you, and then you call them a > name. The way I see it, you're instigating problems and then trying to > use "I'm Jewish" as an excuse.
> Well, FYI, I'm not only Jewish, but I'm disabled. And as I put it > bluntly, "I can't walk through life treating people poorly and then > saying, 'don't be mean, I'm disabled, you can't pick on me.'" While > being a butthead and having some kind of carte blanche to treat > everyone else any way I want. The world doesn't work that way. You have > probably been told to stay away from your former place of employment > because several people have complained that you make them > uncomfortable, and they don't want you showing up there causing a > scene. It's easier for them to tell you up front not to come back and > cause trouble.
> And before you pick on me and tell me that I'm belittling you because > you're Jewish, I'M JEWISH TOO!! I work at a place where no one > understands my culture, no one knows about Yom Kippur or what we do on > the Sabbath, however I don't seem to have this kind of problem from > anyone, anywhere. I wear a Star of David around my neck and I have not > gotten ONE single derogatory remark from a co-worker or customer in the > two years I've been working at that store. We serve over 100 people a > day, and there are not many Jews in this town.
> So quit making excuses and whining, find a new job, and learn to get > along better with people. Sheesh.
> S.
> ironsjac...@hotmail.com wrote: > > I'm a Jew currently residing in Niagara Falls, Ontario. Between > > Septmeber 20th, 2005 and July 18, 2006 I was employed at the Hilton > > Hotel as a houseman, under Italian ownership. Although I didn't hear > > any direct anti-Semitic slants I was shunned by most of my co-workers, > > and my once even 3 co-workers hid my work cart and were only told by my > > employer, Julie Antonio, not to do it again. Not even written up. > > (Melanie Vujcic, Sarah Ecker and Vicki Gardner).
> > My supervisors didn't like me, and most of the times would talk down to > > me and when I approached my boss to rectify the situation, I was > > dismissed, that "I was paranoid", and that pattern of behavior repeated > > itself again afterwards. This made me upset and I swore in frustration, > > which prompted me to be written up by my boss, Julie.
> > I used to do my job better than anybody else, but when I was rewarded > > the "Employee of the Month" award for January 2006 month, many people > > got extremely jealous at me for that, and my co-worker at the time, > > Lisa Wilson, told the other housepeople that "Why him, he's nothing but > > a bum" and other slurs.
> > I did the garbage run 10 times a day at times, but when I was too busy > > because I was with a guest, the supervisors would go on the > > walkie-talkie "John, you should have done your garbage run 20 minutes > > ago", but other people got the slack for that.
> > I am pretty sure that I was targetted primarily because I was a Jew: > > Several times the night shift guy, Wayne Robbins, would brag to me that > > he didn't do anything at night after 2 am, but drink and sleep, and > > when me and other people went to Julie Antonio about it, we were > > dismissed. Same thing applies to another employee, Asdrubal Quesada, > > who being Hispanic (Cuban) and homosexual got special privileges - 3 > > times the inspection caught him not changing the soiled linen, but he > > was never written up by Julie Antonio.
> > When I was at the North Tower, Marco, who was the houseman in charge of > > that tower, and other people would not change the newspapers' recycle > > bins for a month. I brought it down, full of newspapers dating a month > > back, and showed it to Julie. She yelled at me "don't bother me", and > > went home at 11:00 because it was a Sunday. Then I proceeded to show it > > to her assistant Shelly Culp, who dismissed me kindly about it. The > > problem wasn't solved, and I had to do something that other people > > didn't do. - pretty much doing their job.
> > I have never recieved a bravo-gram when I overdid myself, but other > > people received it for minor things. Julie was attempting to prove that > > I wasn't doing my job, but I did stuff that other people would slack on > > - such as dusting the high legers.
> > Nobody ever called me anything relating to my Jewish heritage, but one > > day at the smoke pit, I overheard one room attendant, Danny Parisi, > > talking about the religious Orthodox Jews in an unfavorable light.(I'm > > a cultural Jew, a non-praciticing one). He said "I will never > > understand this religion, the can't turn on the light on Saturday, but > > they can ride the elevator". When the Israeli-Lebanese conflict was > > going on in July I was teased by some co-workers like "have you already > > caught Bin Laden?", or some jests like "you come from a country that > > has some problems - we need to be careful with you". I don't think it > > was meant more than a joke, but one day, during the peak of the > > Israeli-Lebanese war I explained my friend Steve the Bellman why Israel > > was right to defend itself, when one cook, Larry McKinnon butted in > > saying "The whole Middle East should go down in flame " - including > > Israel - "All they do over there is fight". I didn't say the same thing > > about Northern Ireland!
> > On July 15th, 2006, I was sitting at the table and a Native Indian guy, > > Wayne Burnham was giving me the attitude after joining my table. All I > > did was ask him how he was. I then called him a "&&&thead" , and he > > threw something at me. Not wanting to be violent, I came after him and > > we started arguing. He came out, in front of the cameras and pushed me. > > I was hauled by Andrea, one of the supervisors into the office, and she > > talked down to me, while Wayne continued to work there. I was later > > informed that he was waiting for me outside the building but nobody > > ever did anything regarding it. On July 18th, 2006, I was dismissed > > while Wayne was merely written up.
> > I then received a very harsh dismissal letter from Julie Antonio, > > stating that should I ever again set food at the Hilton, I am comitting > > a trespassing and should be prosecuted and put in jail.
> > I would like you to advise me what I can do and what am the > > resources/opportunities open to me to fight this discriminiatory and > > inhuman treatment.
ironsjac...@hotmail.com wrote: > With all due repsect, thanks for the reply, but neither you, nor other > people who responded knows anything about me or the place I worked at > or the people I interacted with. So how come everybody thinks I'm at > fault? Just curious...
No we don't know, we weren't there. We're reading the story only. There is a chance you aren't entirely at fault, and they just didn't like you without you provoking them. But I think if that's the case, once that started, it went around in circles. I don't know why you got canned and the other guy did not. Perhaps because of so many problems with all your co-workers, that was the easy solution, rather than punish the guy who only doesn't get along with you.
My opinions are based on spending the past few years working in restaurants, stores, and even operating on a management level where I had staff who did not get along. I've seen a lot, and I've previously worked with people who had biased views (mainly directed at customers).
My advice to you, let it go, move on, and try harder the next time. Even if you were not at fault, from what you write, it does not sound like this happened because you are Jewish. It sounds like they only found that out later on. When you overhear conversations that you think might be referring to you, just stay out of it. No one will know you're Jewish unless you tell them, or unless you're practicing. My customers for the most part don't know I'm Jewish unless they see the star. A lot of them are very interested and want to know things, mainly how I feel about Christmas and Easter, and if the commercialization of Christmas has any effect on me. At best, I can say I send seasons greetings cards (non-religious) to my friends because "it's fun." In general, people are more likely to be curious about you being different and pump you for information than to instantly hate you and talk behind your back. If they do the latter, they're jealous and don't worry about it.
Seriously, in time, you'll get another job, things will be better, and you'll wonder why you wasted so much time being angry with your co-workers.
>ironsjac...@hotmail.com wrote: >> With all due repsect, thanks for the reply, but neither you, nor other >> people who responded knows anything about me or the place I worked at >> or the people I interacted with. So how come everybody thinks I'm at >> fault? Just curious...
>No we don't know, we weren't there. We're reading the story only. There >is a chance you aren't entirely at fault, and they just didn't like you >without you provoking them. But I think if that's the case, once that >started, it went around in circles. I don't know why you got canned and >the other guy did not. Perhaps because of so many problems with all >your co-workers, that was the easy solution, rather than punish the guy >who only doesn't get along with you.
>My opinions are based on spending the past few years working in >restaurants, stores, and even operating on a management level where I >had staff who did not get along. I've seen a lot, and I've previously >worked with people who had biased views (mainly directed at customers).
>My advice to you, let it go, move on, and try harder the next time. >Even if you were not at fault, from what you write, it does not sound >like this happened because you are Jewish. It sounds like they only >found that out later on. When you overhear conversations that you think >might be referring to you, just stay out of it. No one will know you're >Jewish unless you tell them, or unless you're practicing. My customers >for the most part don't know I'm Jewish unless they see the star. A lot >of them are very interested and want to know things, mainly how I feel >about Christmas and Easter, and if the commercialization of Christmas >has any effect on me. At best, I can say I send seasons greetings cards >(non-religious) to my friends because "it's fun." In general, people >are more likely to be curious about you being different and pump you >for information than to instantly hate you and talk behind your back. >If they do the latter, they're jealous and don't worry about it.
>Seriously, in time, you'll get another job, things will be better, and >you'll wonder why you wasted so much time being angry with your >co-workers.
>S.
I am sure that almost every workplace has its prejudiced people. But what I found problematical in the OP's lengthy first post was that it seemed everyone in his former workplace was against him because he is Jewish. That just doesn't ring true. There have to be some other reasons he had the amazing difficulties he did.
I've worked in jobs where a few employees made derogatory remarks about this one or that one based on religion, ethnic origin or even sex -- in years past when the jobs I held had few women in that field I sometimes felt I was being scrutinized and held to a higher standard than my male counterparts. But in truth, this was limited to just a few individuals, and as they say, consider the source. These people were not worth bothering about.
The employees who were universally disliked were those who for one reason or another were simply unable to get along smoothly with their fellow workers. One needs somehow to adapt to the informal rules of the workplace and learn to co-exist even with people you would not ever choose to associate with outside of work. And it is true, that once someone makes him or herself unpopular, it is difficult to overcome that image.
That is why I can't say what the causes were for the unusual difficulties the OP seems to have had on his job. But there probably is a history that could be revealed by talking to some of those who worked with him, and that we are unable to do.
I think his need to publish his supposed problems in newsgroups and go on about the shortcomings of all of his former co-workers with nary a thought to how his behavior might have contributed does not bode well for him in the future. He is what is known as an "injustice collector". And they are the most tiresome sort of individual.
ironsjac...@hotmail.com wrote: > With all due repsect, thanks for the reply, but neither you, nor other > people who responded knows anything about me or the place I worked at > or the people I interacted with. So how come everybody thinks I'm at > fault? Just curious...
We only know from what you said. We don't know the hotel or the people you work with. So how come you are asking us to think that everyone else is at fault? I see nothing in your story to indicate that you are being discriminated against. People don't like you for whatever reason. Nothing tells me that it's because you are a Jew.
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:19:00 -0400, Dave Smith <adavid.sm...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>ironsjack9...@hotmail.com wrote: >> Let's see how YOU react facing discrimination in Canada >I didn't see anything in you post that suggested discrimination. You apparently >whined a lot about not being recognized for your superior work. It seems that >some of your co-workers didn't like you. You can dislike someone because of >their personality and whiny behaviour and it has nothing to do with >discrimination. You proved yourself to be thoroughly despicable by ranting to >numerous newsgroups.
From the OP's own comments, it seems that he was just an unsatisfactory worker!!
Next he will apply to the Human Communist Rights Commission for reparations?
On 2006-09-07 09:45:01 -0400, ironsjac...@hotmail.com said:
> With all due repsect, thanks for the reply, but neither you, nor other > people who responded knows anything about me or the place I worked at > or the people I interacted with. So how come everybody thinks I'm at > fault? Just curious...
Maybe because you didn't tell them enough about you or the place you worked or the people you interacted with.
And even if you had, could you be believed?
This sort of kvetch doesn't belong on a travel newsgroup.
ironsjac...@hotmail.com wrote in news:1157559112.757214.87220 @i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> Nobody ever called me anything relating to my Jewish heritage, but one > day at the smoke pit, I overheard one room attendant, Danny Parisi, > talking about the religious Orthodox Jews in an unfavorable light.(I'm > a cultural Jew, a non-praciticing one). He said "I will never > understand this religion, the can't turn on the light on Saturday, but > they can ride the elevator". When the Israeli-Lebanese conflict was > going on in July I was teased by some co-workers like "have you already > caught Bin Laden?", or some jests like "you come from a country that > has some problems - we need to be careful with you". I don't think it > was meant more than a joke, but one day, during the peak of the > Israeli-Lebanese war I explained my friend Steve the Bellman why Israel > was right to defend itself, when one cook, Larry McKinnon butted in > saying "The whole Middle East should go down in flame " - including > Israel - "All they do over there is fight". I didn't say the same thing > about Northern Ireland!
Maybe they just don't like you.
And those comments they made - I don't think they're outright antisemtic. Many non-religious people have a tough time contemplating the strange practices orthodox religions have.
As for Israel, a lot of people don't understand why it can assissinate it's enemies while the Palestinians are called terrorist for doing the same. (double standard?)
As for North Ireland - it's not at war right now - infact it's relatively peaceful now ;-)
Anon-E-Moose wrote: > ... > As for Israel, a lot of people don't understand why it can assissinate it's > enemies while the Palestinians are called terrorist for doing the same. > (double standard?)
It's not a double standard.
In one case the Israelis target the militia or terrorist leaders who have sent suicide bombers and terrorists into Israel to specifically target and blow up innocent people in restaurants, markets, buses, etc. After watching the movie Munich I got to see there point of view in a better way. The world stood by after 11 innocent athletes were kidnapped at the 197 and killed 2 Munich Olympics. The Israelis had to, on their own, track down and eliminate these leaders. So who are the "terrorists"? I think it is clear.
I have had the same problem at jobs I've had. Except my fellow employees were mean to me I felt because I was black. I never got the raises I felt I deserved, never got the promotions I deserved. I never got the the kudoos everyone else got. What was I to do? I complained to everyone who would listen and even to those who wouldn't. I wrote the company president and the labor board. All without results. I even talked to a lawyer who looked at me like I was crazy.
Finally, I confronted my supervisor. I asked him point blank, "Is it because I'm black?"
He said, "You aren't even black. Now get back to work!"
Oh.
Now when I am disappointed in my relations with others I first look inwards before blaming others' shortcomings.
ironsjac...@hotmail.com wrote: > I'm a Jew currently residing in Niagara Falls, Ontario. Between > Septmeber 20th, 2005 and July 18, 2006 I was employed at the Hilton > Hotel as a houseman, under Italian ownership. Although I didn't hear > any direct anti-Semitic slants I was shunned by most of my co-workers, > and my once even 3 co-workers hid my work cart and were only told by my > employer, Julie Antonio, not to do it again. Not even written up. > (Melanie Vujcic, Sarah Ecker and Vicki Gardner).
> My supervisors didn't like me, and most of the times would talk down to > me and when I approached my boss to rectify the situation, I was > dismissed, that "I was paranoid", and that pattern of behavior repeated > itself again afterwards. This made me upset and I swore in frustration, > which prompted me to be written up by my boss, Julie.
> I used to do my job better than anybody else, but when I was rewarded > the "Employee of the Month" award for January 2006 month, many people > got extremely jealous at me for that, and my co-worker at the time, > Lisa Wilson, told the other housepeople that "Why him, he's nothing but > a bum" and other slurs.
> I did the garbage run 10 times a day at times, but when I was too busy > because I was with a guest, the supervisors would go on the > walkie-talkie "John, you should have done your garbage run 20 minutes > ago", but other people got the slack for that.
> I am pretty sure that I was targetted primarily because I was a Jew: > Several times the night shift guy, Wayne Robbins, would brag to me that > he didn't do anything at night after 2 am, but drink and sleep, and > when me and other people went to Julie Antonio about it, we were > dismissed. Same thing applies to another employee, Asdrubal Quesada, > who being Hispanic (Cuban) and homosexual got special privileges - 3 > times the inspection caught him not changing the soiled linen, but he > was never written up by Julie Antonio.
> When I was at the North Tower, Marco, who was the houseman in charge of > that tower, and other people would not change the newspapers' recycle > bins for a month. I brought it down, full of newspapers dating a month > back, and showed it to Julie. She yelled at me "don't bother me", and > went home at 11:00 because it was a Sunday. Then I proceeded to show it > to her assistant Shelly Culp, who dismissed me kindly about it. The > problem wasn't solved, and I had to do something that other people > didn't do. - pretty much doing their job.
> I have never recieved a bravo-gram when I overdid myself, but other > people received it for minor things. Julie was attempting to prove that > I wasn't doing my job, but I did stuff that other people would slack on > - such as dusting the high legers.
> Nobody ever called me anything relating to my Jewish heritage, but one > day at the smoke pit, I overheard one room attendant, Danny Parisi, > talking about the religious Orthodox Jews in an unfavorable light.(I'm > a cultural Jew, a non-praciticing one). He said "I will never > understand this religion, the can't turn on the light on Saturday, but > they can ride the elevator". When the Israeli-Lebanese conflict was > going on in July I was teased by some co-workers like "have you already > caught Bin Laden?", or some jests like "you come from a country that > has some problems - we need to be careful with you". I don't think it > was meant more than a joke, but one day, during the peak of the > Israeli-Lebanese war I explained my friend Steve the Bellman why Israel > was right to defend itself, when one cook, Larry McKinnon butted in > saying "The whole Middle East should go down in flame " - including > Israel - "All they do over there is fight". I didn't say the same thing > about Northern Ireland!
> On July 15th, 2006, I was sitting at the table and a Native Indian guy, > Wayne Burnham was giving me the attitude after joining my table. All I > did was ask him how he was. I then called him a "&&&thead" , and he > threw something at me. Not wanting to be violent, I came after him and > we started arguing. He came out, in front of the cameras and pushed me. > I was hauled by Andrea, one of the supervisors into the office, and she > talked down to me, while Wayne continued to work there. I was later > informed that he was waiting for me outside the building but nobody > ever did anything regarding it. On July 18th, 2006, I was dismissed > while Wayne was merely written up.
> I then received a very harsh dismissal letter from Julie Antonio, > stating that should I ever again set food at the Hilton, I am comitting > a trespassing and should be prosecuted and put in jail.
> I would like you to advise me what I can do and what am the > resources/opportunities open to me to fight this discriminiatory and > inhuman treatment.
"TheNewsGuy(Mike)" <tnguymNoSp...@yaho.com> wrote in news:9e832$4501c24e $cf704043$20...@PRIMUS.CA:
> It's not a double standard.
> In one case the Israelis target the militia or terrorist leaders who > have sent suicide bombers and terrorists into Israel to specifically > target and blow up innocent people in restaurants, markets, buses, etc.
Isreali Gunships attack civilian targets all the time - Do you remember Lebannon a couple weeks ago?
> After watching the movie Munich I got to see there point of view in a > better way. The world stood by after 11 innocent athletes were > kidnapped at the 197 and killed 2 Munich Olympics. The Israelis had > to, on their own, track down and eliminate these leaders. So who are > the "terrorists"? I think it is clear.
Well, Isrealis do the same thing too - just that the media doesn't cover it very often.
A couple years ago, Mossad was caught with forged Canadian passports - hmmm a bit shady huh?
Regardless, both sides are to blame for the conflict in the Middle East ... and until both sides learn compromise, nothing is going to change.
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