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In article <5aydnRVc-vJE7dDUnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>, Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote:
> Any one use one of these?
> JR. Might be the one. Trackball works just as a 360-degree scroller in "mouse > mode" and then can be switched to "trackball mode" for full-blown trackball > functionality (i.e. trackball controls pointer).
Interesting. I haven't ever seen this one before. It looks like it might be just the thing for the aggravated Mighty Mouse owner! : ) I'll have to see if I can spot one in a store to give it a spin sometime. Thanks for posting, Tim!
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In article <5aydnRVc-vJE7dDUnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>, Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote:
> Any one use one of these?
> JR. Might be the one. Trackball works just as a 360-degree scroller in "mouse > mode" and then can be switched to "trackball mode" for full-blown trackball > functionality (i.e. trackball controls pointer).
My experience so far with Bluetooth mouses is that they ten to be just a bit laggy, which makes me feel as if I don't have complete control over the cursor. I wonder if they offer it in a wired version.
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> In article <5aydnRVc-vJE7dDUnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>, > Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote:
>> Any one use one of these?
>> JR. Might be the one. Trackball works just as a 360-degree scroller in >> "mouse >> mode" and then can be switched to "trackball mode" for full-blown >> trackball >> functionality (i.e. trackball controls pointer).
> My experience so far with Bluetooth mouses is that they ten to be just a > bit laggy, which makes me feel as if I don't have complete control over > the cursor. I wonder if they offer it in a wired version.
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> JR
Correct. This is a problem with this device. It needs a typical wired or wireless interface outside of bluetooth.
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:25:29 -0600, Tim Lance wrote (in article <5aydnRVc-vJE7dDUnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>):
> Any one use one of these?
> JR. Might be the one. Trackball works just as a 360-degree scroller in > "mouse mode" and then can be switched to "trackball mode" for full-blown > trackball functionality (i.e. trackball controls pointer).
I've got a Kensington SlimBlade and like it very much. It does have what I'll dub a glitch and that is occasionally when I awaken my Mac from sleep the mouse fails to go into action. I've found the quickest way to address that is to remove and replace one of the batteries, a minor nuisance but a nuisance that shouldn't occur.
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TaliesinSoft <taliesins...@me.com> wrote: > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:25:29 -0600, Tim Lance wrote (in article > <5aydnRVc-vJE7dDUnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>):
> > Any one use one of these?
> > JR. Might be the one. Trackball works just as a 360-degree scroller in > > "mouse mode" and then can be switched to "trackball mode" for full-blown > > trackball functionality (i.e. trackball controls pointer).
> I've got a Kensington SlimBlade and like it very much. It does have what I'll > dub a glitch and that is occasionally when I awaken my Mac from sleep the > mouse fails to go into action. I've found the quickest way to address that is > to remove and replace one of the batteries, a minor nuisance but a nuisance > that shouldn't occur.
So how easy is it to clean the scroll ball compared with the Mighty Mouse?
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:48:51 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote (in article <jollyroger-F3870D.22485120122...@news.individual.net>):
[responding to my having stated]
>> I've got a Kensington SlimBlade and like it very much. It does have what >> I'll dub a glitch and that is occasionally when I awaken my Mac from >> sleep the mouse fails to go into action. I've found the quickest way to >> address that is to remove and replace one of the batteries, a minor >> nuisance but a nuisance that shouldn't occur.
> So how easy is it to clean the scroll ball compared with the Mighty Mouse?
My Kensington mouse, the "Bluetooth Presenter Mouse" doesn't have a scroll ball but a scroll wheel that can be tilted left or right for horizontal movements. As for cleaning, that's something I've never had any need to do.
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In article <dylanw-95B3C2.10474421122...@news.altopia.com>, Dylan Winslow <dyl...@xmission.dot.com> wrote:
> the > side-tilt thing with the scroll wheel is a perfectly acceptable > substitute for the side-scrolling for me
Not for me. I'm addicted to the scroll ball! I have to have it! : )
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In article <jollyroger-BD6D46.16340520122...@news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyro...@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <5aydnRVc-vJE7dDUnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>, > Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote:
> > Any one use one of these?
> > JR. Might be the one. Trackball works just as a 360-degree scroller in > > "mouse > > mode" and then can be switched to "trackball mode" for full-blown trackball > > functionality (i.e. trackball controls pointer).
> My experience so far with Bluetooth mouses is that they ten to be just a > bit laggy, which makes me feel as if I don't have complete control over > the cursor. I wonder if they offer it in a wired version.
About 6-9 months ago I investigated this and other Kensington Bluetooth mice at the Apple mini-store inside a Microcenter near me. There were none in use in the Apple section even though the store sold them. I asked the Apple clerk. He said he had removed all the Kensington wireless mice because of significant and continuing driver issues which messed up the system. Perhaps Kensington has fixed this. Perhaps not.
> In article <jollyroger-BD6D46.16340520122...@news.individual.net>, > Jolly Roger <jollyro...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > In article <5aydnRVc-vJE7dDUnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>, > > Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote:
> > > Any one use one of these?
> > > JR. Might be the one. Trackball works just as a 360-degree scroller in > > > "mouse > > > mode" and then can be switched to "trackball mode" for full-blown > > > trackball > > > functionality (i.e. trackball controls pointer).
> > My experience so far with Bluetooth mouses is that they ten to be just a > > bit laggy, which makes me feel as if I don't have complete control over > > the cursor. I wonder if they offer it in a wired version.
> About 6-9 months ago I investigated this and other Kensington Bluetooth > mice at the Apple mini-store inside a Microcenter near me. There were > none in use in the Apple section even though the store sold them. I > asked the Apple clerk. He said he had removed all the Kensington > wireless mice because of significant and continuing driver issues which > messed up the system. Perhaps Kensington has fixed this. Perhaps not.
And that brings to mind this question:
How does this Kensington Slingblade Trackball mouse operate *without* the Kensington drivers installed? I would hope that the right button and track ball would work like they do in the Mighty Mouse. Can anyone corroborate this?
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> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:30:48 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote > (in article <jollyroger-BEE5EB.14304823122...@news.individual.net>):
>> In article <fmoore-6D2A41.14191523122...@feeder.motzarella.org>, >> Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:
>>> In article <jollyroger-BD6D46.16340520122...@news.individual.net>, >>> Jolly Roger <jollyro...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <5aydnRVc-vJE7dDUnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>, >>>> Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote:
>>>>> Any one use one of these?
>>>>> JR. Might be the one. Trackball works just as a 360-degree scroller in >>>>> "mouse >>>>> mode" and then can be switched to "trackball mode" for full-blown >>>>> trackball >>>>> functionality (i.e. trackball controls pointer).
>>>> My experience so far with Bluetooth mouses is that they ten to be just a >>>> bit laggy, which makes me feel as if I don't have complete control over >>>> the cursor. I wonder if they offer it in a wired version.
>>> About 6-9 months ago I investigated this and other Kensington Bluetooth >>> mice at the Apple mini-store inside a Microcenter near me. There were >>> none in use in the Apple section even though the store sold them. I >>> asked the Apple clerk. He said he had removed all the Kensington >>> wireless mice because of significant and continuing driver issues which >>> messed up the system. Perhaps Kensington has fixed this. Perhaps not.
>> And that brings to mind this question:
>> How does this Kensington Slingblade Trackball mouse operate *without* >> the Kensington drivers installed? I would hope that the right button and >> track ball would work like they do in the Mighty Mouse. Can anyone >> corroborate this?
> Things I read elsewhere said they did. I just went ahead and got another MM > for myself for Christmas. That and an Airport Extreme. Took almost every > loose coin I had in the fish bowl I use for a piggy bank.
> I couldn't go from 4 buttons to two (Slingblade), or use a tilting scroll > wheel, or some other compromise.
But why would you get another MM, given its apparent intrinsic design deficiencies?
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> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:35:38 -0600, Nick Naym wrote > (in article <C576D1EA.29760%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>):
>> In article lqOdnT_nTsH5wszUnZ2dnUVZ_q_in...@giganews.com, Tim Lance at >> see....@bottom.com wrote on 12/23/08 5:00 PM:
>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:30:48 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote >>> (in article <jollyroger-BEE5EB.14304823122...@news.individual.net>):
>>>> In article <fmoore-6D2A41.14191523122...@feeder.motzarella.org>, >>>> Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:
>>>>> In article <jollyroger-BD6D46.16340520122...@news.individual.net>, >>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyro...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <5aydnRVc-vJE7dDUnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>, >>>>>> Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Any one use one of these?
>>>>>>> JR. Might be the one. Trackball works just as a 360-degree scroller in >>>>>>> "mouse >>>>>>> mode" and then can be switched to "trackball mode" for full-blown >>>>>>> trackball >>>>>>> functionality (i.e. trackball controls pointer).
>>>>>> My experience so far with Bluetooth mouses is that they ten to be just a >>>>>> bit laggy, which makes me feel as if I don't have complete control over >>>>>> the cursor. I wonder if they offer it in a wired version.
>>>>> About 6-9 months ago I investigated this and other Kensington Bluetooth >>>>> mice at the Apple mini-store inside a Microcenter near me. There were >>>>> none in use in the Apple section even though the store sold them. I >>>>> asked the Apple clerk. He said he had removed all the Kensington >>>>> wireless mice because of significant and continuing driver issues which >>>>> messed up the system. Perhaps Kensington has fixed this. Perhaps not.
>>>> And that brings to mind this question:
>>>> How does this Kensington Slingblade Trackball mouse operate *without* >>>> the Kensington drivers installed? I would hope that the right button and >>>> track ball would work like they do in the Mighty Mouse. Can anyone >>>> corroborate this?
>>> Things I read elsewhere said they did. I just went ahead and got another MM >>> for myself for Christmas. That and an Airport Extreme. Took almost every >>> loose coin I had in the fish bowl I use for a piggy bank.
>>> I couldn't go from 4 buttons to two (Slingblade), or use a tilting scroll >>> wheel, or some other compromise.
>> But why would you get another MM, given its apparent intrinsic design >> deficiencies?
> It served me better than any other. It has more of the features I want than > any other.
> Granted: design could be SO much better/user friendly. But I also made it > worse by not keeping it cleaner to begin with and by being kinda rough in my > taking apart (3 times). It had lasted me many years. So I resolve to clean > more often and when I do need to take it apart I will be more careful.
But it's not designed to be cleaned, and it quickly gets dirty to the point of being virtually unusable. And if you _do_ attempt to clean it by taking it apart, you not only run the risk of destroying it -- even if you are sufficiently mechanically inclined (which, I venture to guess, only a minority of users are) -- but you also void its warranty.
I have an older-model Logitech "Cordless MouseMan Optical" (4-buttons, scroll wheel, wireless optical) that I used with my previous OS 9 machine, and I was very pleased with it. I downloaded the OS X version of its driver software, but found it to be a tad buggy (maybe it's something I did wrong?), so I can't use it with my iMac. In the meantime, my MM's scroll ball is virtually unusable: it only works consistently scrolling up...I can get it to scroll down only after dabbing the scroll ball with alcohol and then inverting the mouse and "scrubbing" the scroll ball against a piece of clean paper. But that "remedy" only lasts a few hours, at best.
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In article <lqOdnT_nTsH5wszUnZ2dnUVZ_q_in...@giganews.com>, Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:30:48 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote > (in article <jollyroger-BEE5EB.14304823122...@news.individual.net>):
> > How does this Kensington Slingblade Trackball mouse operate *without* > > the Kensington drivers installed? I would hope that the right button and > > track ball would work like they do in the Mighty Mouse. Can anyone > > corroborate this?
> Things I read elsewhere said they did. I just went ahead and got another MM > for myself for Christmas. That and an Airport Extreme. Took almost every > loose coin I had in the fish bowl I use for a piggy bank.
In that case, it seems like a decent replacement for the Mighty Mouse - even without the drivers installed.
> I couldn't go from 4 buttons to two (Slingblade), or use a tilting scroll > wheel, or some other compromise.
I can do without the side buttons on the Mighty Mouse. I currently use them for Dashboard, which I use rarely enough that I could launch it other ways without trouble.
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> In article qdOdnVx9Bft988zUnZ2dnUVZ_gSdn...@giganews.com, Tim Lance at > see....@bottom.com wrote on 12/23/08 6:06 PM:
> > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:35:38 -0600, Nick Naym wrote > > (in article <C576D1EA.29760%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>):
> >> why would you get another MM, given its apparent intrinsic design > >> deficiencies?
> > It served me better than any other. It has more of the features I want than > > any other.
> > Granted: design could be SO much better/user friendly. But I also made it > > worse by not keeping it cleaner to begin with and by being kinda rough in > > my taking apart (3 times). It had lasted me many years. So I resolve to > >clean more often and when I do need to take it apart I will be more careful.
> But it's not designed to be cleaned, and it quickly gets dirty to the point > of being virtually unusable.
That hasn't been my experience at all. I rarely need to clear the track ball on my Mighty Mouse. Once every two to four months I encounter a situation where the ball will stop responding to rolls in one direction. I'll take out a lint-free cloth, put it on my knee, roll the ball upside down on the cloth vigorously for a few seconds, and it'll solve the problem. Only one single time has that ever failed to solve the problem. So I took the mouse apart and gave it a thorough cleaning.
> And if you _do_ attempt to clean it by taking > it apart, you not only run the risk of destroying it -- even if you are > sufficiently mechanically inclined (which, I venture to guess, only a > minority of users are)
Worked out fine for me. And it only took about 20 minutes, IIRC - re-assembly and super glue drying time included. And I was on the phone at the time as well.
> -- but you also void its warranty.
But if it's still in warranty, and you bring it to an Apple store and show them the problem, I'm sure they'll replace it on the spot if they can't get it working.
> my MM's scroll > ball is virtually unusable: it only works consistently scrolling up...I can > get it to scroll down only after dabbing the scroll ball with alcohol and > then inverting the mouse and "scrubbing" the scroll ball against a piece of > clean paper. But that "remedy" only lasts a few hours, at best.
Putting alcohol on rubber is a bad idea, because some types of rubber actually decompose when exposed to alcohol. They can become sticky and tacky as a result of absorbing the alcohol. And that means they'll just gather *more* of the dust that clogs them up.
The best way to clean the ball of a Mighty Mouse is the method i described above. If that doesn't work, get yourself an X-Acto knife and some super glue and disassemble it to give it a thorough cleaning.
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In article <C576DFFC.29771%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>, Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> But it's not designed to be cleaned,
Granted.
> and it quickly gets dirty to the point of being virtually unusable.
Other than cleaning off the accumulated dust from the underside, I've not needed to clean mine off since I got in Aug. 2006. The scroll bean is my favorite feature.
Different environment, varying mileage, etc.
> And if you _do_ attempt to clean it by taking > it apart, you not only run the risk of destroying it -- even if you are > sufficiently mechanically inclined (which, I venture to guess, only a > minority of users are) -- but you also void its warranty.
You should expect differently for a product not designed to be disassembled for cleaning?
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:35:40 -0600, Nick Naym wrote > (in article <C576DFFC.29771%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>):
>> In article qdOdnVx9Bft988zUnZ2dnUVZ_gSdn...@giganews.com, Tim Lance at >> see....@bottom.com wrote on 12/23/08 6:06 PM:
>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:35:38 -0600, Nick Naym wrote >>> (in article <C576D1EA.29760%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>):
>>>> In article lqOdnT_nTsH5wszUnZ2dnUVZ_q_in...@giganews.com, Tim Lance at >>>> see....@bottom.com wrote on 12/23/08 5:00 PM:
>>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:30:48 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote >>>>> (in article <jollyroger-BEE5EB.14304823122...@news.individual.net>):
>>>>>> In article <fmoore-6D2A41.14191523122...@feeder.motzarella.org>, >>>>>> Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <jollyroger-BD6D46.16340520122...@news.individual.net>, >>>>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyro...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <5aydnRVc-vJE7dDUnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>, >>>>>>>> Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Any one use one of these?
>>>>>>>>> JR. Might be the one. Trackball works just as a 360-degree scroller in >>>>>>>>> "mouse >>>>>>>>> mode" and then can be switched to "trackball mode" for full-blown >>>>>>>>> trackball >>>>>>>>> functionality (i.e. trackball controls pointer).
>>>>>>>> My experience so far with Bluetooth mouses is that they ten to be just >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> bit laggy, which makes me feel as if I don't have complete control over >>>>>>>> the cursor. I wonder if they offer it in a wired version.
>>>>>>> About 6-9 months ago I investigated this and other Kensington Bluetooth >>>>>>> mice at the Apple mini-store inside a Microcenter near me. There were >>>>>>> none in use in the Apple section even though the store sold them. I >>>>>>> asked the Apple clerk. He said he had removed all the Kensington >>>>>>> wireless mice because of significant and continuing driver issues which >>>>>>> messed up the system. Perhaps Kensington has fixed this. Perhaps not.
>>>>>> And that brings to mind this question:
>>>>>> How does this Kensington Slingblade Trackball mouse operate *without* >>>>>> the Kensington drivers installed? I would hope that the right button and >>>>>> track ball would work like they do in the Mighty Mouse. Can anyone >>>>>> corroborate this?
>>>>> Things I read elsewhere said they did. I just went ahead and got another >>>>> MM >>>>> for myself for Christmas. That and an Airport Extreme. Took almost every >>>>> loose coin I had in the fish bowl I use for a piggy bank.
>>>>> I couldn't go from 4 buttons to two (Slingblade), or use a tilting scroll >>>>> wheel, or some other compromise.
>>>> But why would you get another MM, given its apparent intrinsic design >>>> deficiencies?
>>> It served me better than any other. It has more of the features I want than >>> any other.
>>> Granted: design could be SO much better/user friendly. But I also made it >>> worse by not keeping it cleaner to begin with and by being kinda rough in my >>> taking apart (3 times). It had lasted me many years. So I resolve to clean >>> more often and when I do need to take it apart I will be more careful.
>> But it's not designed to be cleaned, and it quickly gets dirty to the point >> of being virtually unusable. And if you _do_ attempt to clean it by taking >> it apart, you not only run the risk of destroying it -- even if you are >> sufficiently mechanically inclined (which, I venture to guess, only a >> minority of users are) -- but you also void its warranty.
> REality is *I* can deal with it and did so 3 times. Others, too.
>> I have an older-model Logitech "Cordless MouseMan Optical" (4-buttons, >> scroll wheel, wireless optical) that I used with my previous OS 9 machine, >> and I was very pleased with it. I downloaded the OS X version of its driver >> software, but found it to be a tad buggy (maybe it's something I did >> wrong?), so I can't use it with my iMac. In the meantime, my MM's scroll >> ball is virtually unusable: it only works consistently scrolling up...I can >> get it to scroll down only after dabbing the scroll ball with alcohol and >> then inverting the mouse and "scrubbing" the scroll ball against a piece of >> clean paper. But that "remedy" only lasts a few hours, at best.
> You're having your own issues with your MM which also sound as if they're > partly yours (e.g. never use alcohol with rubber).
I only started using alcohol about a week ago. Until then, just scrubbing on clean paper was sufficient. But gradually, it became less effective, so I tried alcohol as a last resort after someone suggested using it sparingly, and someone else (perhaps here?) mentioned those cleaning tissues used to clean eyeglasses.
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In article jollyroger-670CB6.18560423122...@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger at jollyro...@pobox.com wrote on 12/23/08 7:56 PM:
... ...
>> my MM's scroll >> ball is virtually unusable: it only works consistently scrolling up...I can >> get it to scroll down only after dabbing the scroll ball with alcohol and >> then inverting the mouse and "scrubbing" the scroll ball against a piece of >> clean paper. But that "remedy" only lasts a few hours, at best.
> Putting alcohol on rubber is a bad idea, because some types of rubber > actually decompose when exposed to alcohol. They can become sticky and > tacky as a result of absorbing the alcohol. And that means they'll just > gather *more* of the dust that clogs them up.
Yeah...I was hoping that the rubber material it is made from (which appears to be very dense) would stand up against alcohol
> The best way to clean the ball of a Mighty Mouse is the method i > described above. ...
I've been using that method (with paper, not a cloth), but it has lost its effectiveness.
> If that doesn't work, get yourself an X-Acto knife and > some super glue and disassemble it to give it a thorough cleaning.
Dunno...seems akin to buying a Porsche 911, only to find that you need to pull over every 100 miles to break the seals and clean the ball joints.
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> In article <C576DFFC.29771%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>, > Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
>> But it's not designed to be cleaned,
> Granted.
>> and it quickly gets dirty to the point of being virtually unusable.
> Other than cleaning off the accumulated dust from the underside, I've > not needed to clean mine off since I got in Aug. 2006. The scroll bean > is my favorite feature.
> Different environment, varying mileage, etc.
>> And if you _do_ attempt to clean it by taking >> it apart, you not only run the risk of destroying it -- even if you are >> sufficiently mechanically inclined (which, I venture to guess, only a >> minority of users are) -- but you also void its warranty.
> You should expect differently for a product not designed to be > disassembled for cleaning?
Of course not...that's why I referred to "its apparent intrinsic design deficiencies" as a reason for not getting another one.
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> In article jollyroger-670CB6.18560423122...@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger > at jollyro...@pobox.com wrote on 12/23/08 7:56 PM:
> ... > ...
> >> my MM's scroll > >> ball is virtually unusable: it only works consistently scrolling up...I can > >> get it to scroll down only after dabbing the scroll ball with alcohol and > >> then inverting the mouse and "scrubbing" the scroll ball against a piece of > >> clean paper. But that "remedy" only lasts a few hours, at best.
> > Putting alcohol on rubber is a bad idea, because some types of rubber > > actually decompose when exposed to alcohol. They can become sticky and > > tacky as a result of absorbing the alcohol. And that means they'll just > > gather *more* of the dust that clogs them up.
> Yeah...I was hoping that the rubber material it is made from (which appears > to be very dense) would stand up against alcohol
I think it's more likely the opposite is true.
> > The best way to clean the ball of a Mighty Mouse is the method i > > described above. ...
> I've been using that method (with paper, not a cloth), but it has lost its > effectiveness.
Why paper? I doubt paper would behave the same way as a lint-free cloth. The cloth will scrub the ball of anything clinging to it more than paper would. Also, paper, if rubbed enough, will emit small pieces of dust. I would try a lint-free cloth instead.
> > If that doesn't work, get yourself an X-Acto knife and > > some super glue and disassemble it to give it a thorough cleaning.
> Dunno...seems akin to buying a Porsche 911, only to find that you need to > pull over every 100 miles to break the seals and clean the ball joints.
I bought my Mighty Mouse in 2005. I've had to take it apart exactly ONCE. I think we can safely say that a mouse has a significantly shorter expected life span than a car. If my Mighty Mouse lasts a whopping 20 years I might have to take it apart around five times. Every 100 miles my ass.
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> In article <C577109E.297A1%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>, > Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
>> In article jollyroger-670CB6.18560423122...@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger >> at jollyro...@pobox.com wrote on 12/23/08 7:56 PM:
>> ... >> ...
>>>> my MM's scroll >>>> ball is virtually unusable: it only works consistently scrolling up...I can >>>> get it to scroll down only after dabbing the scroll ball with alcohol and >>>> then inverting the mouse and "scrubbing" the scroll ball against a piece of >>>> clean paper. But that "remedy" only lasts a few hours, at best.
>>> Putting alcohol on rubber is a bad idea, because some types of rubber >>> actually decompose when exposed to alcohol. They can become sticky and >>> tacky as a result of absorbing the alcohol. And that means they'll just >>> gather *more* of the dust that clogs them up.
>> Yeah...I was hoping that the rubber material it is made from (which appears >> to be very dense) would stand up against alcohol
> I think it's more likely the opposite is true.
>>> The best way to clean the ball of a Mighty Mouse is the method i >>> described above. ...
>> I've been using that method (with paper, not a cloth), but it has lost its >> effectiveness.
> Why paper?
It was suggested in another group a long time back. I didn't believe it would work -- it was so ridiculously counterintuitive. But it worked like a charm.
> I doubt paper would behave the same way as a lint-free > cloth. The cloth will scrub the ball of anything clinging to it more > than paper would. Also, paper, if rubbed enough, will emit small pieces > of dust. I would try a lint-free cloth instead.
You did...and I will. ;)
>>> If that doesn't work, get yourself an X-Acto knife and >>> some super glue and disassemble it to give it a thorough cleaning.
>> Dunno...seems akin to buying a Porsche 911, only to find that you need to >> pull over every 100 miles to break the seals and clean the ball joints.
> I bought my Mighty Mouse in 2005. I've had to take it apart exactly > ONCE. I think we can safely say that a mouse has a significantly shorter > expected life span than a car. If my Mighty Mouse lasts a whopping 20 > years I might have to take it apart around five times. Every 100 miles > my ass.
Let's leave you ass out of this.
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> In article sehix-024C5B.18203423122...@news.speakeasy.net, Steve Hix at > se...@NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID wrote on 12/23/08 9:20 PM:
> > In article <C576DFFC.29771%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>, > > Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> >> But it's not designed to be cleaned,
> > Granted.
> >> and it quickly gets dirty to the point of being virtually unusable.
> > Other than cleaning off the accumulated dust from the underside, I've > > not needed to clean mine off since I got in Aug. 2006. The scroll bean > > is my favorite feature.
> > Different environment, varying mileage, etc.
> >> And if you _do_ attempt to clean it by taking > >> it apart, you not only run the risk of destroying it -- even if you are > >> sufficiently mechanically inclined (which, I venture to guess, only a > >> minority of users are) -- but you also void its warranty.
> > You should expect differently for a product not designed to be > > disassembled for cleaning?
> Of course not...that's why I referred to "its apparent intrinsic design > deficiencies" as a reason for not getting another one.
But since, in my experience MMMV; it works just fine for at least some others.
I don't know why I've never had the reported problems with the scroll bean clogging up, but I'm not unhappy about missing the experience.
In article <sehix-550057.23383523122...@news.speakeasy.net>, Steve Hix <se...@NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID> wrote:
> I don't know why I've never had the reported problems with the scroll > bean clogging up, but I'm not unhappy about missing the experience.
I'm sure there are lots of contributing factors, including:
* the humidity of the environment * the dustiness of the environment * how oily or dirty the person's fingers are * how the person cleans the mouse
Personally, I've had very little trouble with my Mighty Mouse. My home office environment is fairly dusty, like any other; but I wipe my mousing surface off each morning with a cloth before using the mouse. My mouse pad is aX-Ray Thunder 8 mouse pad, which is hard plastic rather than the typical padded cloth type most people use. I wash my hands fairly regularly throughout the day, as I'm kind of neurotic when it comes to the cleanliness of my hands. I make it a point not to use the computer if my hands are the slightest bit oily or dirty. I rarely use liquid solutions to clean my computer equipment, including the mouse; and when I do use liquid, it's plain water on a damp cloth or extremely lightly soapy water.
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God... If there's any legitimacy to this one, I sure hope Apple doesn't keep the brain-dead right-click detection technology the current Mighty mouse uses...
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> > God... If there's any legitimacy to this one, I sure hope Apple doesn't > > keep the brain-dead right-click detection technology the current Mighty > > mouse uses...
> The right-click action was the first thing I noticed in my new MM. No > confusion with the left-click at all. I have small hands and that was an > ongoing issue, having gotten worse over time actually. Also, the damn side > pressure "buttons" that make Button 4 are easier. I have no idea how variable > production is but I do recall others in our groups here noting the > improvement.
> Why not put your current MM away for a rainy day and buy yourself a > Christmas/whatever present of a new one? ; )
You really think they fixed this in later revisions? If that's truly the case, I'm definitely inclined to do what you suggest!
When did you buy yours?
I'm curious... My Mighty Mouse has this on the bottom:
Designed by Apple in California Assembled in Malaysia Model No.: A1152 EMC No.: 2058
What's your new one say?
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> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:43:58 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote > (in article <jollyroger-4E1794.15435824122...@news.individual.net>):
> > In article <adGdnSXHcYkQPM_UnZ2dnUVZ_gadn...@giganews.com>, > > Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote:
> >> Why not put your current MM away for a rainy day and buy yourself a > >> Christmas/whatever present of a new one? ; )
> > You really think they fixed this in later revisions? If that's truly the > > case, I'm definitely inclined to do what you suggest!
> > When did you buy yours?
> > I'm curious... My Mighty Mouse has this on the bottom:
> > Designed by Apple in California > > Assembled in Malaysia > > Model No.: A1152 EMC No.: 2058
> > What's your new one say?
> Model A1197
> nothing with EMC
> Just bought this one 2 days ago. No promises on "fixing" the right-click -- > just my personal experience which is better than than my old one, which was > also A1197 but also no EMC info. Best I can tell it was at least 3 years old. > I got it a year before I got before I got my first MacBook Pro which was > summer of 2006. So I got my old MM around fall of 2005.
Ok I'm intrigued! Thanks for the suggestion - it hadn't occurred to me that Apple may have actually made revisions to the thing. In hind sight, that's silly of me, because they do this all the time with most of their stuff! I think I'll pay a visit to the Apple store and see if I can take one for a spin.
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