> Is there any way around this?  Scaling the printing just seems to move
> it to the left and cut off the margin anyway.

> TIA!

> Mark

> gmark <gm...@svs.com> wrote:
> > When I print from Safari, the left margin always gets cut off.

> > Is there any way around this?  Scaling the printing just seems to move
> > it to the left and cut off the margin anyway.

> > TIA!

> > Mark

> When I print from Safari, the left margin is not cut off.
> So, how about giving some of your details?  (OS, Safari version,
> printer model, printer dialog settings, etc.)

>> gmark <gm...@svs.com> wrote:
>>> When I print from Safari, the left margin always gets cut off.

>>> Is there any way around this?  Scaling the printing just seems to move
>>> it to the left and cut off the margin anyway.

>>> TIA!

>>> Mark

>> When I print from Safari, the left margin is not cut off.
>> So, how about giving some of your details?  (OS, Safari version,
>> printer model, printer dialog settings, etc.)

> Macbook pro running 10.5.5
> Brother MFC-9840CDW
> 2-sided full-page color printing
> US Letter 100% scale
> Print backgrounds not checked
> Print headers and footers checked
> long-edge binding

> > On Oct 25, 8:39 am, Philo D <do...@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <797cadf8-5e36-4f4d-8ed4-fc91e9e6f...@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,

> >>gmark<gm...@svs.com> wrote:
> >>> When I print fromSafari, the left margin always gets cut off.

> >>> Is there any way around this?  Scaling the printing just seems to move
> >>> it to the left and cut off the margin anyway.

> >>> TIA!

> >>> Mark

> >> When I print fromSafari, the left margin is not cut off.
> >> So, how about giving some of your details?  (OS,Safariversion,
> >> printer model, printer dialog settings, etc.)

> > Macbook pro running 10.5.5
> > Brother MFC-9840CDW
> > 2-sided full-page color printing
> > US Letter 100% scale
> > Print backgrounds not checked
> > Print headers and footers checked
> > long-edge binding

> turn this off

> > no border
> > scale to fit paper size

> if turning off the first one doesn't fix it, turn this off too.

> >Safari3.1.2 (5525.20.1)

> --
> email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

>>> On Oct 25, 8:39 am, Philo D <do...@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <797cadf8-5e36-4f4d-8ed4-fc91e9e6f...@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,

>>>> gmark<gm...@svs.com> wrote:
>>>>> When I print fromSafari, the left margin always gets cut off.

>>>>> Is there any way around this?  Scaling the printing just seems to move
>>>>> it to the left and cut off the margin anyway.

>>>>> TIA!

>>>>> Mark

>>>> When I print fromSafari, the left margin is not cut off.
>>>> So, how about giving some of your details?  (OS,Safariversion,
>>>> printer model, printer dialog settings, etc.)

>>> Macbook pro running 10.5.5
>>> Brother MFC-9840CDW
>>> 2-sided full-page color printing
>>> US Letter 100% scale
>>> Print backgrounds not checked
>>> Print headers and footers checked
>>> long-edge binding

>> turn this off

>>> no border
>>> scale to fit paper size

>> if turning off the first one doesn't fix it, turn this off too.

>>> Safari3.1.2 (5525.20.1)

>> --
>> email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

> No effect at all.  In fact, when I do turn on borders, the text
> extends beyond the border and hides it, past the point where printing
> can occur.  So I end up with a border line that's broken, and text
> extending into the left and being cut off beyond the border.

> Mark

> > On Nov 14, 6:30 am, J.J. O'Shea <try.not...@but.see.sig> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:03:16 -0500,gmarkwrote
> >> (in article
> >> <9e6a331c-c3b0-4afb-9877-951fa2fb7...@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com>):

> >>> On Oct 25, 8:39 am, Philo D <do...@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> In article
> >>>> <797cadf8-5e36-4f4d-8ed4-fc91e9e6f...@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,

> >>>>gmark<gm...@svs.com> wrote:
> >>>>> When I print fromSafari, the left margin always gets cut off.

> >>>>> Is there any way around this?  Scaling the printing just seems to move
> >>>>> it to the left and cut off the margin anyway.

> >>>>> TIA!

> >>>>> Mark

> >>>> When I print fromSafari, the left margin is not cut off.
> >>>> So, how about giving some of your details?  (OS,Safariversion,
> >>>> printer model, printer dialog settings, etc.)

> >>> Macbook pro running 10.5.5
> >>> Brother MFC-9840CDW
> >>> 2-sided full-page color printing
> >>> US Letter 100% scale
> >>> Print backgrounds not checked
> >>> Print headers and footers checked
> >>> long-edge binding

> >> turn this off

> >>> no border
> >>> scale to fit paper size

> >> if turning off the first one doesn't fix it, turn this off too.

> >>> Safari3.1.2 (5525.20.1)

> >> --
> >> email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

> > No effect at all.  In fact, when I do turn on borders, the text
> > extends beyond the border and hides it, past the point where printing
> > can occur.  So I end up with a border line that's broken, and text
> > extending into the left and being cut off beyond the border.

> > Mark

> There's something seriously wrong. I have two Brother printers, and both of
> them do NOT exhibit this kind of problem, from Safari or any other app.

> Check and see what margins you have set. Check and see what happens when you
> print from something else.

>>> On Nov 14, 6:30 am, J.J. O'Shea <try.not...@but.see.sig> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:03:16 -0500,gmarkwrote
>>>> (in article
>>>> <9e6a331c-c3b0-4afb-9877-951fa2fb7...@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com>):

>>>>> On Oct 25, 8:39 am, Philo D <do...@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <797cadf8-5e36-4f4d-8ed4-fc91e9e6f...@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,

>>>>>> gmark<gm...@svs.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> When I print fromSafari, the left margin always gets cut off.

>>>>>>> Is there any way around this?  Scaling the printing just seems to move
>>>>>>> it to the left and cut off the margin anyway.

>>>>>>> TIA!

>>>>>>> Mark

>>>>>> When I print fromSafari, the left margin is not cut off.
>>>>>> So, how about giving some of your details?  (OS,Safariversion,
>>>>>> printer model, printer dialog settings, etc.)

>>>>> Macbook pro running 10.5.5
>>>>> Brother MFC-9840CDW
>>>>> 2-sided full-page color printing
>>>>> US Letter 100% scale
>>>>> Print backgrounds not checked
>>>>> Print headers and footers checked
>>>>> long-edge binding

>>>> turn this off

>>>>> no border
>>>>> scale to fit paper size

>>>> if turning off the first one doesn't fix it, turn this off too.

>>>>> Safari3.1.2 (5525.20.1)

>>>> --
>>>> email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

>>> No effect at all.  In fact, when I do turn on borders, the text
>>> extends beyond the border and hides it, past the point where printing
>>> can occur.  So I end up with a border line that's broken, and text
>>> extending into the left and being cut off beyond the border.

>>> Mark

>> There's something seriously wrong. I have two Brother printers, and both of
>> them do NOT exhibit this kind of problem, from Safari or any other app.

>> Check and see what margins you have set. Check and see what happens when you
>> print from something else.

> That's sort of my original question -- it's only Safari, and I wanted
> to know how I could set margins.  Safari, at any point size, doesn't
> seem to have any way of communicating the actual printable area of the
> Brothers printer.  It may be that other apps simply underestimate it
> to a safe area, and Safari tries to use what it perceives as the
> entire printable area, but is actually overestimating where this area
> ends.  in any case, Safari "overscans" with this particular printer.
> No matter what the point size is and no matter what the material is.

> Mark

> > On Nov 14, 3:49 pm, J.J. O'Shea <try.not...@but.see.sig> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:33:39 -0500,gmarkwrote
> >> (in article
> >> <bc6cc54f-be10-474b-9d7b-270bcd9b1...@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com>):

> >>> On Nov 14, 6:30 am, J.J. O'Shea <try.not...@but.see.sig> wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:03:16 -0500,gmarkwrote
> >>>> (in article
> >>>> <9e6a331c-c3b0-4afb-9877-951fa2fb7...@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com>):

> >>>>> On Oct 25, 8:39 am, Philo D <do...@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>> In article
> >>>>>> <797cadf8-5e36-4f4d-8ed4-fc91e9e6f...@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,

> >>>>>>gmark<gm...@svs.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> When I print fromSafari, the left margin always gets cut off.

> >>>>>>> Is there any way around this?  Scaling the printing just seems to move
> >>>>>>> it to the left and cut off the margin anyway.

> >>>>>>> TIA!

> >>>>>>> Mark

> >>>>>> When I print fromSafari, the left margin is not cut off.
> >>>>>> So, how about giving some of your details?  (OS,Safariversion,
> >>>>>> printer model, printer dialog settings, etc.)

> >>>>> Macbook pro running 10.5.5
> >>>>> Brother MFC-9840CDW
> >>>>> 2-sided full-page color printing
> >>>>> US Letter 100% scale
> >>>>> Print backgrounds not checked
> >>>>> Print headers and footers checked
> >>>>> long-edge binding

> >>>> turn this off

> >>>>> no border
> >>>>> scale to fit paper size

> >>>> if turning off the first one doesn't fix it, turn this off too.

> >>>>> Safari3.1.2 (5525.20.1)

> >>>> --
> >>>> email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

> >>> No effect at all.  In fact, when I do turn on borders, the text
> >>> extends beyond the border and hides it, past the point where printing
> >>> can occur.  So I end up with a border line that's broken, and text
> >>> extending into the left and being cut off beyond the border.

> >>> Mark

> >> There's something seriously wrong. I have two Brother printers, and both of
> >> them do NOT exhibit this kind of problem, from Safari or any other app.

> >> Check and see what margins you have set. Check and see what happens when you
> >> print from something else.

> > That's sort of my original question -- it's only Safari, and I wanted
> > to know how I could set margins.  Safari, at any point size, doesn't
> > seem to have any way of communicating the actual printable area of the
> > Brothers printer.  It may be that other apps simply underestimate it
> > to a safe area, and Safari tries to use what it perceives as the
> > entire printable area, but is actually overestimating where this area
> > ends.  in any case, Safari "overscans" with this particular printer.
> > No matter what the point size is and no matter what the material is.

> > Mark

> And the settings in "Page Setup" are:

> Settings: Page Attributes
> Format for: Brother MFC-9840CDW
> Paper Size: US Letter
> Orientation: Portrait
> Scale: 100%

> Correct? ('Format for: Any Printer' would probably work too, but to be sure
> I'd select the precise printer in use.)

> --
> email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

> > That's it.  I don't see any way to specifically set margins, however,

> You need to go and create a custom paper size using whatever margins
> you need. Page Setup > Paper Size > Manage Custom Sizes.
> --
> Chris

> > > That's it.  I don't see any way to specifically set margins, however,

> > You need to go and create a custom paper size using whatever margins
> > you need. Page Setup > Paper Size > Manage Custom Sizes.
> > --
> > Chris

> I tried this, and set the paper size both larger and smaller, then set
> the border from 0.25 inches to zero and up to 2, and all combinations
> had no effect.  That is, moving the border anywhere still results in a
> clipped-off page image, only the same amount of clipping occurs
> starting at different distances from the left edge.  The amount of
> text cut-off is exactly the same.

> Mark

> gmark<gm...@svs.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 15, 8:36 am, Chris Ridd <chrisr...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > On 2008-11-15 14:28:32 +0000,gmark<gm...@svs.com> said:

> > > > That's it.  I don't see any way to specifically set margins, however,

> > > You need to go and create a custom paper size using whatever margins
> > > you need. Page Setup > Paper Size > Manage Custom Sizes.
> > > --
> > > Chris

> > I tried this, and set the paper size both larger and smaller, then set
> > the border from 0.25 inches to zero and up to 2, and all combinations
> > had no effect.  That is, moving the border anywhere still results in a
> > clipped-off page image, only the same amount of clipping occurs
> > starting at different distances from the left edge.  The amount of
> > text cut-off is exactly the same.

> > Mark

> Maybe the problem is with your document?  Get a document from the web
> and try printing it without making any changes on it.

> > I tried printing other documents from Safari, and they all do this.
> > Some documents, of course, are specifcally formatted to eliminate text
> > or images at the far left edge, but any that have text at the left
> > border have at least 1/8-1/4 inch gone.  Those documents, of course,
> > print fine in Word or other editors.

> Do you have a custom style sheet set in the Preferences Advanced tab?
> You can set various page things in CSS in '@media print' sections, so
> maybe there's something there making Safari do something odd. Or if
> there isn't, maybe you can tweak things there yourself.

>>> I tried printing other documents from Safari, and they all do this.
>>> Some documents, of course, are specifcally formatted to eliminate text
>>> or images at the far left edge, but any that have text at the left
>>> border have at least 1/8-1/4 inch gone.  Those documents, of course,
>>> print fine in Word or other editors.

>> Do you have a custom style sheet set in the Preferences Advanced tab?
>> You can set various page things in CSS in '@media print' sections, so
>> maybe there's something there making Safari do something odd. Or if
>> there isn't, maybe you can tweak things there yourself.

> Nope - nothing.  But if I did tweak it myself, it would still not
> explain why no one else has reported a similar problem with Safari and
> this printer.

> Mark

> > On Nov 18, 3:29 pm, Chris Ridd <chrisr...@mac.com> wrote:
> >> On 2008-11-18 21:12:44 +0000,gmark<gm...@svs.com> said:

> >>> I tried printing other documents from Safari, and they all do this.
> >>> Some documents, of course, are specifcally formatted to eliminate text
> >>> or images at the far left edge, but any that have text at the left
> >>> border have at least 1/8-1/4 inch gone.  Those documents, of course,
> >>> print fine in Word or other editors.

> >> Do you have a custom style sheet set in the Preferences Advanced tab?
> >> You can set various page things in CSS in '@media print' sections, so
> >> maybe there's something there making Safari do something odd. Or if
> >> there isn't, maybe you can tweak things there yourself.

> > Nope - nothing.  But if I did tweak it myself, it would still not
> > explain why no one else has reported a similar problem with Safari and
> > this printer.

> Actually, if you tweaked it yourself it _would_ explain why no-one else has
> your problem.

> >  But of course, I'd still like to know why this outputs
> > what seems to be a "magnified" image (extending beyond the borders of
> > the page).

> Does Page Setup say 'Scale: 100%' or something larger?

>>> On Nov 18, 3:29 pm, Chris Ridd <chrisr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2008-11-18 21:12:44 +0000,gmark<gm...@svs.com> said:

>>>>> I tried printing other documents from Safari, and they all do this.
>>>>> Some documents, of course, are specifcally formatted to eliminate text
>>>>> or images at the far left edge, but any that have text at the left
>>>>> border have at least 1/8-1/4 inch gone.  Those documents, of course,
>>>>> print fine in Word or other editors.

>>>> Do you have a custom style sheet set in the Preferences Advanced tab?
>>>> You can set various page things in CSS in '@media print' sections, so
>>>> maybe there's something there making Safari do something odd. Or if
>>>> there isn't, maybe you can tweak things there yourself.

>>> Nope - nothing.  But if I did tweak it myself, it would still not
>>> explain why no one else has reported a similar problem with Safari and
>>> this printer.

>> Actually, if you tweaked it yourself it _would_ explain why no-one else has
>> your problem.

>>>  But of course, I'd still like to know why this outputs
>>> what seems to be a "magnified" image (extending beyond the borders of
>>> the page).

>> Does Page Setup say 'Scale: 100%' or something larger?

> What I meant was that I tweaked it just now in response to the
> suggestion I received, and it had no effect.  But it seems to me that
> something as essential as the print area boundaries *should* be
> settable.

> And yes, the page setup scale is set to 100%, although I tried other
> sizes to try and fix this, but no success.

> Mark

> > On Nov 19, 8:09 am, J.J. O'Shea <try.not...@but.see.sig> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:39:00 -0500,gmarkwrote
> >> (in article
> >> <6e393fe1-7f41-461e-837b-1661625f6...@v5g2000prm.googlegroups.com>):

> >>> On Nov 18, 3:29 pm, Chris Ridd <chrisr...@mac.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 2008-11-18 21:12:44 +0000,gmark<gm...@svs.com> said:

> >>>>> I tried printing other documents from Safari, and they all do this.
> >>>>> Some documents, of course, are specifcally formatted to eliminate text
> >>>>> or images at the far left edge, but any that have text at the left
> >>>>> border have at least 1/8-1/4 inch gone.  Those documents, of course,
> >>>>> print fine in Word or other editors.

> >>>> Do you have a custom style sheet set in the Preferences Advanced tab?
> >>>> You can set various page things in CSS in '@media print' sections, so
> >>>> maybe there's something there making Safari do something odd. Or if
> >>>> there isn't, maybe you can tweak things there yourself.

> >>> Nope - nothing.  But if I did tweak it myself, it would still not
> >>> explain why no one else has reported a similar problem with Safari and
> >>> this printer.

> >> Actually, if you tweaked it yourself it _would_ explain why no-one else has
> >> your problem.

> >>>  But of course, I'd still like to know why this outputs
> >>> what seems to be a "magnified" image (extending beyond the borders of
> >>> the page).

> >> Does Page Setup say 'Scale: 100%' or something larger?

> > What I meant was that I tweaked it just now in response to the
> > suggestion I received, and it had no effect.  But it seems to me that
> > something as essential as the print area boundaries *should* be
> > settable.

> > And yes, the page setup scale is set to 100%, although I tried other
> > sizes to try and fix this, but no success.

> > Mark

> The problem is that I _can_ make various tweaks with the settings on my
> printers, including two Brothers, and I don't get anything like what you
> have. And no-one else seems to have a similar problem. This makes me suspect
> that the problem is something on your system. I'd back up a bit, create a new
> user, and see if the problem persists there. If it does, I'd reset printing
> parameters and reinstall the printers and see if it persists. If the problem
> is still there, I'd do an archive install. That should remove it.
> The thing is, all of that is a lot of work when we don't know what's causing
> the problem.

> --
> email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.