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> I have loved and defended the MM for a long time. After the third take apart > I am giving up on it - I can't get the trackball's ribbon cable to stay in > and am just tired of dealing with it. There are SO MANY other options out > there that I come here to attempt circumventing just as much googling. > Besides, I am one who very much likes to hear/read real person accounts and > experiences in addition to what marketers and "objective" reviewers put out.
> What I loved most about my MM was its being a trackball in a mouse. It was > wireless but that is not a primary consideration. If my replacement is to be > wireless it needs to be light (and Bluetooth). I have had a Microsoft > Intellimouse (early edition) and it weighed a ton. Also I have smallish > hands.
> I approach this change with some happiness as, besides the cleaning hassle, > the one thing I hated about the MM is only 3 truly functional buttons. At > least on mine, the pressure required to activate the 4th button's side > pressure panels was too much.
> Any suggestions for a Bluetooth, small/light, multi-button mouse with a > trackball instead of a scroll wheel?
> Thank you, all.
I'm about to give up on MM as well. My primary complaint is that the scroll ball never seems to work properly when I attempt to scroll "down": Either it refuses to work, or the amount of pressure and/or the angle at which I need to apply the pressure is simply too much, usually resulting in my inadvertently activating Expose. I find that I can get it to work if I "clean" it by inverting the mouse and rubbing the ball vigorously on a piece of clean white paper -- but this "remedy" only seems to last for a few _minutes_ (I'm not exaggerating).
My previous (under OS 9) mouse was a Logitech Cordless MouseMan Optical, which I liked a lot. (I had tried Microsoft's "Intellimouse," but it was absolute crap: Its response time was so poor as to make it virtually unusable. I immediately returned it and bought the MouseMan.)
I still have the MouseMan, so I decided to update the driver and try it on my iMac. However, after downloading the OS X version of MouseWare, I found that the mouse simply didn't work right on my iMac.
So, as it stands right now, I don't know what the solution is. We'll see what others recommend.
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On 2008-12-19 09:34:15 -0800, Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> said:
> In article wfmdnUr3nsXDWtbUnZ2dnUVZ_tTin...@giganews.com, Tim Lance at > see....@bottom.com wrote on 12/19/08 11:10 AM:
>> I have loved and defended the MM for a long time. After the third take apart >> I am giving up on it - I can't get the trackball's ribbon cable to stay in >> and am just tired of dealing with it. > I'm about to give up on MM as well. My primary complaint is that the scroll > ball never seems to work properly when I attempt to scroll "down": Either it > refuses to work, or the amount of pressure and/or the angle at which I need > to apply the pressure is simply too much, usually resulting in my > inadvertently activating Expose.
Welcome to the club gents. I dumped my fourth MM earlier this fall for a corded logitech. Never looked back.
thepixelfreak <n...@dot.com> wrote: > On 2008-12-19 09:34:15 -0800, Nick Naym > <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> said:
> > In article wfmdnUr3nsXDWtbUnZ2dnUVZ_tTin...@giganews.com, Tim Lance at > > see....@bottom.com wrote on 12/19/08 11:10 AM:
> >> I have loved and defended the MM for a long time. After the third take > >> apart > >> I am giving up on it - I can't get the trackball's ribbon cable to stay in > >> and am just tired of dealing with it. > > I'm about to give up on MM as well. My primary complaint is that the scroll > > ball never seems to work properly when I attempt to scroll "down": Either > > it > > refuses to work, or the amount of pressure and/or the angle at which I need > > to apply the pressure is simply too much, usually resulting in my > > inadvertently activating Expose.
> Welcome to the club gents. I dumped my fourth MM earlier this fall for > a corded logitech. Never looked back.
Me too... I've been using a corded Logitech MX400 for close to a year now and love it.
As I have it configured:
Left & right click are normal.
Clicking straight down on the Scroll wheel opens 'Application Switcher' (likely to be changed soon...)
'Rocking' the scroll wheel to the left opens a new Safari browser page.
'Rocking' the scroll wheel to the right operates the expose 'all windows' feature. Very quick and handy... gets used MANY times a day.
The back thumb button scrolls down a page at a time. (Same as 'Page Down' on the keyboard.)
And the forward thumb button jumps to the top of a page (Same as 'Home' on the keyboard.)
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:25:42 -0600, Erik wrote > (in article <erik-740EB4.10254219122...@news.dslextreme.com>):
> > In article <2008121909495150073-not@dotcom>, > > thepixelfreak <n...@dot.com> wrote:
> >> On 2008-12-19 09:34:15 -0800, Nick Naym > >> <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> said:
> >>> In article wfmdnUr3nsXDWtbUnZ2dnUVZ_tTin...@giganews.com, Tim Lance at > >>> see....@bottom.com wrote on 12/19/08 11:10 AM:
> >>>> I have loved and defended the MM for a long time. After the third take > >>>> apart > >>>> I am giving up on it - I can't get the trackball's ribbon cable to stay > >>>> in > >>>> and am just tired of dealing with it. > >>> I'm about to give up on MM as well. My primary complaint is that the > >>> scroll > >>> ball never seems to work properly when I attempt to scroll "down": Either > >>> it > >>> refuses to work, or the amount of pressure and/or the angle at which I > >>> need > >>> to apply the pressure is simply too much, usually resulting in my > >>> inadvertently activating Expose.
> >> Welcome to the club gents. I dumped my fourth MM earlier this fall for > >> a corded logitech. Never looked back.
> > Me too... I've been using a corded Logitech MX400 for close to a year > > now and love it.
> > As I have it configured:
> > Left & right click are normal.
> > Clicking straight down on the Scroll wheel opens 'Application Switcher' > > (likely to be changed soon...)
> > 'Rocking' the scroll wheel to the left opens a new Safari browser page.
> > 'Rocking' the scroll wheel to the right operates the expose 'all > > windows' feature. Very quick and handy... gets used MANY times a day.
> > The back thumb button scrolls down a page at a time. (Same as 'Page > > Down' on the keyboard.)
> > And the forward thumb button jumps to the top of a page (Same as 'Home' > > on the keyboard.)
> > Erik
> Is there left to right scrolling without having to hit a modifier key or > button?
Yes, you can configure L&R rocking of the scroll wheel to scroll L&R. There are speed and acceleration sliders provided in the control panel.
In article <wfmdnUr3nsXDWtbUnZ2dnUVZ_tTin...@giganews.com>, Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote:
> What I loved most about my MM was its being a trackball in a mouse.
If you are able to find another mouse with a built-in trackball similar to the one in the Mighty Mouse, please do post here about it with a mini review!! The scroll ball on the Mighty Mouse is what I love most about it as well.
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> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:24:22 -0600, Jolly Roger wrote > (in article <jollyroger-C71E08.15242219122...@news.individual.net>):
> > In article <wfmdnUr3nsXDWtbUnZ2dnUVZ_tTin...@giganews.com>, > > Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote:
> >> What I loved most about my MM was its being a trackball in a mouse.
> > If you are able to find another mouse with a built-in trackball similar > > to the one in the Mighty Mouse, please do post here about it with a mini > > review!! The scroll ball on the Mighty Mouse is what I love most about > > it as well.
> Aw, crap, JR. You were supposed to tell me where the little known one could > be found.
> I'm as big an Apple FanBoy as anyone but, along with the 1-button mouse, the > non-standard VGA out (hey! my old 500 MHz G3 iMac has one), the burying of > laptop hard drives (PowerBooks, iBooks and MacBook Pros), one of my biggest > head scratchers is why not make the MM easily serviceable.
I'm as perplexed about this as you. Though I don't feel it's as big a deal as some, because (perhaps luckily) I have only ever needed to do it once since I bought my first Mighty Mouse when they first appeared.
I'm also perplexed at Apple's - strike that - Steve's hard-headed unwillingness to implement a true right-click mechanism in the Mighty Mouse. The sacrifices he's made to avoid it have resulted in a half-ass (broken) implementation, where the occasional missed click is commonplace. And for what gain?!
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> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:34:15 -0600, Nick Naym wrote > (in article <C5714547.216BD%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>):
>> In article wfmdnUr3nsXDWtbUnZ2dnUVZ_tTin...@giganews.com, Tim Lance at >> see....@bottom.com wrote on 12/19/08 11:10 AM:
>>> I have loved and defended the MM for a long time. After the third take apart >>> I am giving up on it - I can't get the trackball's ribbon cable to stay in >>> and am just tired of dealing with it. There are SO MANY other options out >>> there that I come here to attempt circumventing just as much googling. >>> Besides, I am one who very much likes to hear/read real person accounts and >>> experiences in addition to what marketers and "objective" reviewers put out.
>>> What I loved most about my MM was its being a trackball in a mouse. It was >>> wireless but that is not a primary consideration. If my replacement is to be >>> wireless it needs to be light (and Bluetooth). I have had a Microsoft >>> Intellimouse (early edition) and it weighed a ton. Also I have smallish >>> hands.
>>> I approach this change with some happiness as, besides the cleaning hassle, >>> the one thing I hated about the MM is only 3 truly functional buttons. At >>> least on mine, the pressure required to activate the 4th button's side >>> pressure panels was too much.
>>> Any suggestions for a Bluetooth, small/light, multi-button mouse with a >>> trackball instead of a scroll wheel?
>>> Thank you, all.
>> I'm about to give up on MM as well. My primary complaint is that the scroll >> ball never seems to work properly when I attempt to scroll "down": Either it >> refuses to work, or the amount of pressure and/or the angle at which I need >> to apply the pressure is simply too much, usually resulting in my >> inadvertently activating Expose. I find that I can get it to work if I >> "clean" it by inverting the mouse and rubbing the ball vigorously on a piece >> of clean white paper -- but this "remedy" only seems to last for a few >> _minutes_ (I'm not exaggerating).
>> My previous (under OS 9) mouse was a Logitech Cordless MouseMan Optical, >> which I liked a lot. (I had tried Microsoft's "Intellimouse," but it was >> absolute crap: Its response time was so poor as to make it virtually >> unusable. I immediately returned it and bought the MouseMan.)
>> I still have the MouseMan, so I decided to update the driver and try it on >> my iMac. However, after downloading the OS X version of MouseWare, I found >> that the mouse simply didn't work right on my iMac.
>> So, as it stands right now, I don't know what the solution is. We'll see >> what others recommend.
> Until you get the point I am try taking the MM apart and cleaning it.
Well, I'm still within my 1-year warranty...am thinking of trying to exchange it for a new one at the local Apple Store where I bought my system.
> Plenty > of sites with steps/pix/videos.
Oh? Any that come to mind? (I've seen a lot of "recommended" ways for "cleaning" it, but they all were minor variations of Apple's useless "official" way. The "turn-the-mouse-upside-down-and-scrub-the-ball-on-a-piece-of-white-paper" <phew> approach was the only _real_ variant I ran across, and which, as counter-intuitive as it sounded, worked incredibly well....for a while, at least.)
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> In article <wfmdnUr3nsXDWtbUnZ2dnUVZ_tTin...@giganews.com>, > Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote:
> > I have loved and defended the MM for a long time. After the third take > > apart > > I am giving up on it - I can't get the trackball's ribbon cable to stay in > > and am just tired of dealing with it. There are SO MANY other options out > > there that I come here to attempt circumventing just as much googling. > > Besides, I am one who very much likes to hear/read real person accounts and > > experiences in addition to what marketers and "objective" reviewers put > > out.
> > What I loved most about my MM was its being a trackball in a mouse. It was > > wireless but that is not a primary consideration. If my replacement is to > > be > > wireless it needs to be light (and Bluetooth). I have had a Microsoft > > Intellimouse (early edition) and it weighed a ton. Also I have smallish > > hands.
> > I approach this change with some happiness as, besides the cleaning hassle, > > the one thing I hated about the MM is only 3 truly functional buttons. At > > least on mine, the pressure required to activate the 4th button's side > > pressure panels was too much.
> > Any suggestions for a Bluetooth, small/light, multi-button mouse with a > > trackball instead of a scroll wheel?
> > Thank you, all.
> You've probably already settled on a replacement for your MM, but I > thought I'd mention this:
I'd love to know how the optical scroll sensor compares with the scroll wheel on the Mighty Mouse.
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> In article <dylanw-5708CA.12270230122...@news.altopia.com>, > Dylan Winslow <dyl...@xmission.dot.com> wrote:
> > In article <wfmdnUr3nsXDWtbUnZ2dnUVZ_tTin...@giganews.com>, > > Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote:
> > > I have loved and defended the MM for a long time. After the third take > > > apart > > > I am giving up on it - I can't get the trackball's ribbon cable to stay > > > in > > > and am just tired of dealing with it. There are SO MANY other options out > > > there that I come here to attempt circumventing just as much googling. > > > Besides, I am one who very much likes to hear/read real person accounts > > > and > > > experiences in addition to what marketers and "objective" reviewers put > > > out.
> > > What I loved most about my MM was its being a trackball in a mouse. It > > > was > > > wireless but that is not a primary consideration. If my replacement is to > > > be > > > wireless it needs to be light (and Bluetooth). I have had a Microsoft > > > Intellimouse (early edition) and it weighed a ton. Also I have smallish > > > hands.
> > > I approach this change with some happiness as, besides the cleaning > > > hassle, > > > the one thing I hated about the MM is only 3 truly functional buttons. At > > > least on mine, the pressure required to activate the 4th button's side > > > pressure panels was too much.
> > > Any suggestions for a Bluetooth, small/light, multi-button mouse with a > > > trackball instead of a scroll wheel?
> > > Thank you, all.
> > You've probably already settled on a replacement for your MM, but I > > thought I'd mention this:
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> I don't know, JR. There were but the three reviewers and all may have jumped > on their inability to adapt adequately. The CNET editor's thought better of > it. Amazon reviewer (only 1) loved it.
Well, to be fair, CNET's review states the "optical scroll sensor isn't the best for super-accurate scrolling".
> I think had I not already just bought another MM i might have tried this. > Besides having all-way scrolling it does have 4 buttons. Plus there's the > cleaning issue mitigated. I'd be willing to give it a whirl next time.
I'd like to try one out in a store. I'm not sure I'd buy one unless I was sure I could return it for a full refund easily.
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Tim Lance <see....@bottom.com> wrote: > I have loved and defended the MM for a long time. After the third take apart > I am giving up on it - I can't get the trackball's ribbon cable to stay in > and am just tired of dealing with it. There are SO MANY other options out > there that I come here to attempt circumventing just as much googling. > Besides, I am one who very much likes to hear/read real person accounts and > experiences in addition to what marketers and "objective" reviewers put out.
> What I loved most about my MM was its being a trackball in a mouse. It was > wireless but that is not a primary consideration. If my replacement is to be > wireless it needs to be light (and Bluetooth). I have had a Microsoft > Intellimouse (early edition) and it weighed a ton. Also I have smallish > hands.
> I approach this change with some happiness as, besides the cleaning hassle, > the one thing I hated about the MM is only 3 truly functional buttons. At > least on mine, the pressure required to activate the 4th button's side > pressure panels was too much.
> Any suggestions for a Bluetooth, small/light, multi-button mouse with a > trackball instead of a scroll wheel?
> Thank you, all.
It's not wireless but I love my Razer Deathadder which works well with either Razer's driver or USB Overdrive (at the cost of some resolution, though). Feels very comfy in my hand and puts my old Intellimouse to shame. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
I've never been able to figure out the attraction of having a wireless mouse. I see some detractions though.
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In article <0001HW.C580347100042814B01AD...@News.Individual.NET>,
TaliesinSoft <taliesins...@me.com> wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:11:21 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote (in article > <05lll41ihoeoi0ejsgdunbv9vohh3cc...@4ax.com>):
> > I've never been able to figure out the attraction of having a wireless > > mouse. I see some detractions though.
> Attraction ? full freedom of placement ? no need to plug in
> Detraction ? no cord to catch it when falling
If you haven't already, check out the Kensington SlimBlade mouse:
It's listed at $99, but I found it for much less than that at Best Buy. It not only *has* a trackball, it can *be* a trackball if you want. -- Kevin Michael Vail | Dogbert: That's circular reasoning. ke...@vaildc.net | Dilbert: I prefer to think of it as no loose ends.
> I've never been able to figure out the attraction of having a wireless > mouse. I see some detractions though.
I'm in the same boat as you. I've never felt the cord on my mouse was in the way at all.
And the tracking of every Bluetooth mouse I've tried so far felt vaguely (and in some cases extremely) disconnected from my physical movements, which is always disconcerting to me. For instance, the wireless Mighty Mouse I have at work feels sluggish when I use it, as if the cursor on the screen lags behind my physical movements just enough for me to notice it. And another wireless Logitech mouse I have has a sort of jittery feel to it. It's a subtle thing in each case, but is there none-the-less. In contrast, the tracking of every wired mouse I have feels directly in synchronizations with my physical movements.
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In article <0001HW.C580347100042814B01AD...@News.Individual.NET>,
TaliesinSoft <taliesins...@me.com> wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:11:21 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote (in article > <05lll41ihoeoi0ejsgdunbv9vohh3cc...@4ax.com>):
> > I've never been able to figure out the attraction of having a wireless > > mouse. I see some detractions though.
> Attraction ? full freedom of placement ?
That's just it. I haven't ever felt the cord on my wired mouse limits its placement on my mouse pad.
> no need to plug in
Sure, but then this is offset by the need to turn on and pair an alternative Bluetooth mouse. Also, a Bluetooth mouse needs batteries. And then there's the tracking issue I mentioned in another post in this thread.
> Detraction ? no cord to catch it when falling
Well there is that...
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>> I've never been able to figure out the attraction of having a wireless >> mouse. I see some detractions though.
> I'm in the same boat as you. I've never felt the cord on my mouse was in > the way at all.
> And the tracking of every Bluetooth mouse I've tried so far felt vaguely > (and in some cases extremely) disconnected from my physical movements, > which is always disconcerting to me. For instance, the wireless Mighty > Mouse I have at work feels sluggish when I use it, as if the cursor on > the screen lags behind my physical movements just enough for me to > notice it. And another wireless Logitech mouse I have has a sort of > jittery feel to it. It's a subtle thing in each case, but is there > none-the-less. In contrast, the tracking of every wired mouse I have > feels directly in synchronizations with my physical movements.
I first bought an Intellimouse, which really fit my hand extremely well. Other than that, it was a total dud.
I exchanged it for the Logitech MouseMan Optical, and, I must say, it performed just about as well as a wired mouse. I'd be using it now if I could get the OS X version of the driver to work properly.
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>>> I've never been able to figure out the attraction of having a wireless >>> mouse. I see some detractions though.
>> I'm in the same boat as you. I've never felt the cord on my mouse was in >> the way at all.
>> And the tracking of every Bluetooth mouse I've tried so far felt vaguely >> (and in some cases extremely) disconnected from my physical movements, >> which is always disconcerting to me. For instance, the wireless Mighty >> Mouse I have at work feels sluggish when I use it, as if the cursor on >> the screen lags behind my physical movements just enough for me to >> notice it. And another wireless Logitech mouse I have has a sort of >> jittery feel to it. It's a subtle thing in each case, but is there >> none-the-less. In contrast, the tracking of every wired mouse I have >> feels directly in synchronizations with my physical movements.
> I first bought an Intellimouse, which really fit my hand extremely well. > Other than that, it was a total dud.
> I exchanged it for the Logitech MouseMan Optical, and, I must say, it > performed just about as well as a wired mouse. I'd be using it now if I > could get the OS X version of the driver to work properly.
In article 2009010121540675249-malcolm@invalid, Malcolm at malcolm@invalid wrote on 1/1/09 9:54 PM:
> On 2008-12-31 17:23:18 -0500, Nick Naym > <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> said:
... ...
>> I exchanged it for the Logitech MouseMan Optical, and, I must say, it >> performed just about as well as a wired mouse. I'd be using it now if I >> could get the OS X version of the driver to work properly.
I'll give it a try...though, I must say that the price is a _significant_ disincentive, especially considering the price of a new mouse, software included!
BTW: I re-downloaded the Logitech software and was indeed (finally) able to get it to work properly. It's a pleasure being able to scroll again -- though I now realize it's not as smooth as MM (when MM actually works); but the mouse itself is much more comfortable to hold and use.
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