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> Is it a true that all new printers come with half filled cartridges?
Epsons have always come with fully filled cartridges as far as I am aware. However, by the time the print head chamber is filled with ink from charging the first time the printer is used the consumer is not getting a full cartridge's worth of ink as part of the ink remains in the print head reservoir. -- Jan Alter bear...@verizon.net
Is it a true that all new printers come with half filled cartridges?
Epsons have always come with fully filled cartridges as far as I am aware.
And they should always be replace with Epson ink.
However, by the time the print head chamber is filled with ink from charging
the first time the printer is used the consumer is not getting a full
cartridge's worth of ink as part of the ink remains in the print head
reservoir.
On Aug 25, 12:35 pm, "007" <0...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Is it a true that all new printers come with half filled cartridges?
My Samsung laser cartridge part# is specified for (approx. 1/3) lesser yield, although apart from toner volume I couldn't say how many units, if at all, beyond that would be assembled with parts (the blade and optics) capable of not providing a much longer duty cycle. They do have a fuse intended to blow at a specified "count" -- I haven't figured how that works (apart the workaround, which is simply to replace). A laser site in U.K. even provides instructions/materials for burning a hole (apparently -some- cartridges are self-contained and show no intent of being refilled).
As I know all manufacturers (HP, Epson, Canon, Samsung, Brother, etc) sell printers with half filled cartridges. Not all models of course. Depends on the model, (some only in lasers, some only in inkjets).
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Not all Canon printers come with full cartridges. There are some models taking the pg40, cl41 which can accept the pg50 and cl51 (full). Also another series with inkjet cartridges too.
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> "007" <0...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:g8un15$9do$1@reader1.panix.com... >> Is it a true that all new printers come with half filled cartridges?
In article <b875e546-4771-4a6a-b1b6-5c493c3bd...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Flasherly <gjerr...@ij.net> wrote:
> On Aug 25, 12:35 pm, "007" <0...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > Is it a true that all new printers come with half filled cartridges? > My Samsung laser cartridge part# is specified for (approx. 1/3) lesser > yield, although apart from toner volume I couldn't say how many units, > if at all, beyond that would be assembled with parts (the blade and > optics) capable of not providing a much longer duty cycle.
After market refillers - at least here in the UK seem to rely upon this. Remanufactured cartridges may be a different matter ..as parts are often replaced with heavier components, designed for a much longer life.
Then again, the cost of replacement toner - as parts and new printers - seems to be around four to eight times the cost of the identical machines and other consummablesin North America. (Why such a price difference, I've no idea)...
> They do > have a fuse intended to blow at a specified "count" -- I haven't > figured how that works (apart the workaround, which is simply to > replace).
Although I'm not party to the full rulings etc, HP have recently appeared in Court (?EU/UK?) regarding their self imposed 'limits' on the use and replacement of cartridges.
For those printers that need it, they now appear to have a counter-bypass system designed to kick in if the User requests it through the firmware..
> A laser site in U.K. even provides instructions/materials > for burning a hole (apparently -some- cartridges are self-contained > and show no intent of being refilled).
I think, although I have no personal experience, that most cartridges may possibly be re-filled by drilling a hole into the body exactly as you realistically suggest, Flasherly! :))
It's just that should any toner 'escape' then, like an Espresso or Turkish ground coffee, the tiny microscopic granules will coat everything in the vicinity for months to come ..including the refiller's hands, face and best dress/suit (tuxedo??) .. :))
(Come to think of it, could it be another use for the ubiquitously icky Starbuck's Carbonised Coffee Roast)?! ;))
In article <g8un15$9d...@reader1.panix.com>, 007 <0...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Is it a true that all new printers come with half filled cartridges?
Dunno about 'all'..??
In the UK HP seem to sell all their new laser printers with reduced OEM toner cartridges. They did this with their LaserJet III and LaserJet 5L some fifteen to twenty years ago ..and seem to have continued doing so since.
There may be a reason for it ..ie like an aircraft, the most dangerous time for a printer may be in first weeks when it's taking off ..burning in, as it were.
Also encourages a quick uptake of expensive new OEM toner whilst the customer is still being careful... ;))
Of their latest two, the Colour LaserJet CP1515n has four OEM cartridges rated for only a nominal 750 pages of 'running in' toner; only around 35pc of the full capacity of HP's present 2200 nominal page counter cartridges for this printer.
Mind, after my first five weeks of light home-printing there's still 78pc available in black, with 92pc in the three (CMY) colours which, with the onboard counter bypass enabing full use of all cartridges, isn't too displeasing.
No, in fact due to bad publicity and several law suits and class actions, most inkjet printers today come with full size cartridges which are filled.
In some cases, the printer will come with an "economy" cartridge which is indeed smaller that the "standard" or "jumbo" versions, but that cartridge will sometime be available to purchases as a lower cost alternative to the larger cartridge. In general those smaller cartridges are a poor investment.
With laser printers, and particularly color ones, the installed cartridges often are 50% or less of the normally sold replacement product. In some cases, you can just refill them, other kinds which require a new or replacement microchip, may not work at all even if refilled, or may run at a much lower speed to punish you for refilling.
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